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        09-05-2008, 01:04 PM
      #31
    Foal
    Wow. Quite the debate going on in here!!!

    I havent read everyone's posts in full, but just some more food for thought:

    What about when you are riding and you kick a horse hard to go forward? Or wear spurs? Is this also considered "violent" or "abusive?"
         
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        09-05-2008, 01:07 PM
      #32
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChestnutEventer
    okay guys, lets give it a break now..
    She gets it, we have given enough advice... I think it sounds like she is doing a good job, and maybe selling her will turn out for the best. :)

    Good luck with your future horse.
    Here, here!!! I agree!!! Disregard my last post!
         
        09-05-2008, 02:35 PM
      #33
    Green Broke
    I neverrr use spurss!! I really don't like kicking a horse usually I ask tell them demand but she reared for then once.


    Also I wasnt nervous of chance intil the 3rd time she threw me off.

    Im going up there today and going to get teh guts to ride her and hope to god for the best. And im going to lunge her first.
         
        09-05-2008, 09:43 PM
      #34
    Foal
    Dont worry, my confidence would go right doooown if I fell off my horse a few times, but luckily I havnt fallen off him in the 4/5 years that I have owned him. Very lucky!

    Everyone has their own opinon on kicking horses, I kick my horse if he's being lazy and wont listen to the rest of my body, and as I said before, I would nudge his side, if he goes to kick me on the ground. Because id rather have him move away rather than me having to take the risk of turning my back on him and walking away.
         
        09-05-2008, 10:16 PM
      #35
    Banned
    Re: Am I doing this wrong?! second thoughts >.<

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever
    well lately i've been a little bit more physicall with chance no not like punching or kicking. Because I relized she is 5 and I can't let her get away with things anymore. Lately she's been in my space so I will snap the halter and back her up a few steps. Or when I pick up her feet and she tries to slam them down [ she KNOWS not to do this she use to hold her feet up] I will give her a hard smack on her sholder. But once she holds it and I can clean it I will pet her. Or when im walking her threw the feild and she decides hmm I want food and pulls hard to get food ill lift her head and yank on her halter at least 4 times and say no!! Lately I've been holding her by her halter and she wont put her head down she waits till I pet her and let go. But we still have a halter yanking thing if I forget to hold the halter. Last time when she reared I gave her a HARD kick in the side and she hasnt reared since. But usually when riding I use light contact as best as I can and use light cues no problems usually and if she refuses a jump I just turn her around as many times as it takes till she jumps it.

    Maybe im over thinking this idk but am I going about this wrong?? Is there any other ways to make her relize its wrong to do something like that..

    I was thinking about having a crop with me if she gets in my space and tap her with it but then I thought NO im not resorting to whips the only time I use a whip is when lunging.

    But lately she's been trying to get a head of me when we are leading to her stall so I will turn her around and make her wait a few seconds then I wont let her eat till I tell her its okay.

    We just have some minor bumps in the road that need fixing and I don't want to go about them wrong and have bigger problems in the future.
    first off, no I did NOT read anyone elses responces...so if I repeat anything someone has already said, my apologies.

    When she gets in your space, is it when leading? Just while working around her? If while leading, and she gets too close, ask her nicely to back off...if she won't. Slam on your breaks and start walking briskly backwards, moving and waving your arms. If she doesn't back up or slams into you bring your foot back and give her a kick in the chest. Then keep backing her up. Sonny ALWAYS follows behind me...NEVER on my side. With him behind me it gives me more time to react if he spooks...if he was beside me he could easily run me over without me having enough time to get out of his way.
    If while working around her, keep a lead rope on her, and if she starts inching closer to you, first ask for her to move (or stop). If she doesn't, twirl the end of the lead rope (not a huge piece...just a small part), and walk into her, letting the end hit her in the shoulder, hind-quarters, etc. Twirl it faster (so it hits harder) to get her attention more. Remember to ask first, then slowly ask her with more force.
    If she's extremely dominant it's best to ask, and then if she doesn't stop, to go straight to twirling it fast....but I'd try it gently first.

    Smacking her on the shoulder, IMO, would not really teach her anything, or would give her bad experiences with you cleaning out her feet. She has a reason for not wanting you to clean out her feet....maybe there's some pain, you accidently hurt her while cleaning the feet....the farrier accidently hurt her, etc. Also, if she won't pick it up, squeeze her chestnut....it's a pressure point and she'll lift up her leg.

    NEVER YANK ON THE HALTER MORE THAN ONCE TO TELL HER SHE'S DOING SOMETHING WRONG! Always ask nicely first before going into physical contact. If she puts her head down to eat while leading, continue walking (your nice asking part)...if she still won't come, give a sharp yank on the lead rope...ONLY ONE....and then continue. Don't look back, don't yell at her, don't keep yanking...you want to bond with her and be her leader...you don't see the lead horse chasing the crap out of another horse if they didn't move when they asked. They ask with body language, and then if they don't listen, they kick or bite.

    For the stall problem, stop her RIGHT before the stall, and make her wait...back her up if she goes in.

    You aren't going about it all wrong, but I think you are being way too hard on her. Remember she is only 5 and still is learning.

    If you plan on doing any more with her before you sell her (if you are still planning on it)
    Go back to JUST groundwork.....groundwork is NOT lunging her in circles over and over again. Wouldn't you get bored if you had to do that? Make it interesting for her! See if she'll walk over a tarp, or things like that!
    She needs to respect you and look to you as a leader before anything else is done with her. Try some Parelli or any type of Natural Horsemanship...Parelli did wonders with Sonny and it's really fun to do actually.


    Here's something that might help you, maybe, HAF. When I'm on Sonny and I ask him to trot, I first ask with my seat...if he won't respond after 3 seconds, I ask with my thighs, then I go to my feet (NOT KICKING...just squeezing), if he still won't go I hit MY LEG with my hand three times...getting harder each time. And THEN will I give him a tap on the hind-quarters (if he didn't trot off already). See how many times I asked him with little or no contact with him? Try doing that with Chance. Since she's young give her a good 5 seconds before advancing.

    Just some ideas....

    Okay I read some posts....
    On Erin and Appy's conversation, kicking a horse straight off the bat for doing something is definitely harsh and cruel!! But if you ask nicely/gently 3-4 times before, then giving a simply kick (in a place that won't seriously hurt the horse) is alright. All you are doing is taking the place of the group leader. I'm sure everyone has seen a horse pin his ears back, and then strike or kick out. The pinning his ears back was the warning.....the bite or kick was the result of the horse not moving
         
        09-05-2008, 11:58 PM
      #36
    Started
    I will back up, raise my hand or wack him on the belly. If that doesnt work I will kick him with my foot as flat as possible, in the under belly
         
        09-06-2008, 12:18 AM
      #37
    Green Broke
    I do agree I NEED to remember she's 5 and her little brain can't comprehend a lot of things at once I always try and remind myself of this.

    Im having a friend work with me with chance along with me doing a lot of ground work myself

    Im thinking of keeping her and just working on her a lot I just don't think I can sell her because one she sees me she trots up to the fence and she always looks for me on cross ties and she needs someone to trust so moving her around isnt going to help even if a lot of this means no riding for a year so be it ya know she's 5 maybe a lot of just ground work light riding with help her and me understand. I am keeping her ad's up on the computer for a while long if I see absolutly no improvement in a few weeks.

    Chance is a quick learner so I think the ad's will be coming down.

    I have a post on just ground work I can't remember if you replied to it yet or not sonny

    Also I tried parelli and it just wasnt really for chance I mean she just was bored. Im trying many different methods and im hopeing to keep like a video journal on chance on youtube ill let you guys know how it goes!
         
        09-06-2008, 09:42 AM
      #38
    Banned
    Quote:
    also I tried parelli and it just wasnt really for chance I mean she just was bored. Im trying many different methods and im hopeing to keep like a video journal on chance on youtube ill let you guys know how it goes!
    Parelli groundwork isn't something you work on hours at a time....and repeating one process over and over again until she gets it right. If that's how you were doing it, no wonder she was bored. Do some simple groundwork games (or the Parelli 7 Games) and do it so she can get it correctly...but NOT doing it over 4-5 times. If she won't get it correct after 5 times, move on to something else or else she will get bored of it, and she'll not enjoy it.
         
        09-06-2008, 12:17 PM
      #39
    Green Broke
    I'm glad your going to keep her and keep working with her I fell like you will realize you made the right decision :) Goodluck
         

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