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    11-09-2009, 07:53 PM
  #1
Yearling
Question Andalusian mares don't get trained?

Ok so there is an Andalusian mare at the barn I work at, and she is 9 years old and only halter trained. Her owners said that in the Andalusian breed people only train the geldings and stallions, which confuses me. Anyone know why or how this is, or heard of why? It doesn't seem to make any sense to me why someone would own an Andalusian mare, or rather, any horse and just have them halter trained because of how the certain breed is looked after? I mean...I feel sorry for this poor horse...she's kept out to pasture all day, then brought into the barn every night, only halter trained, and her owners come out maybe once a week to groom her to pristine cleanliness only to turn her back out to the pasture because of the breed... It just doesn't make any sense to me. Can anyone understand this and explain why this would be done?
     
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    11-09-2009, 08:01 PM
  #2
Green Broke
They do it at the high schools of riding in europe, but I didnt know that was because of tradition adn their breed. Im sure there is andalusion mares out there that are trained, they breed the mares, that's probably why they like to own them.
Haha I must admit, that sounds like a pretty good life for a horse (if some groomed and loved her everyday it would be a perfect life!)
     
    11-09-2009, 08:01 PM
  #3
Green Broke
Why do you feel "sorry" for her?
As to the statement itself, I have known plenty of Andalusian mares who were trained and worked regluarly.
     
    11-09-2009, 08:07 PM
  #4
Yearling
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Originally Posted by themacpack    
Why do you feel "sorry" for her?
As to the statement itself, I have known plenty of Andalusian mares who were trained and worked regluarly.
Ok, maybe 'feel sorry for' is the wrong term. I don't know what I was getting at. But it just doesn't make sense for someone to want an Andalusian so much as to google 'win an Andalusian' end up winning her, and just have her sit in a barn all week and be a pasture pet that as far as I know isn't seen by her owners all that often. It just doesn't make sense to me to own a horse, almost never seen it, and have it not trained.
     
    11-09-2009, 11:15 PM
  #5
Trained
That's laziness and it is not breed specific! Many people have the dream to own horses but when the reality sets in they decide it's not as fun as it once was. Historically in many parts of the world male horses are not gelded and are the only horses ridden. The mares are left home to raise the babies. This would be more a cultural thing than a breed thing.
     
    11-09-2009, 11:58 PM
  #6
Yearling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
That's laziness and it is not breed specific! Many people have the dream to own horses but when the reality sets in they decide it's not as fun as it once was. Historically in many parts of the world male horses are not gelded and are the only horses ridden. The mares are left home to raise the babies. This would be more a cultural thing than a breed thing.
So what you are saying is it's more than likely what my first impression was, the owners either don't know enough about Nunci to train her, or they are just downright lazy and using the excuse of the said 'breed's history' or now as you said, cultural history to not do anything with her...I really hope this isn't the case, but it saddens me at the prospect of it.
     
    11-10-2009, 04:42 AM
  #7
Yearling
At the end of the day, many horses are not trained to be under saddle/cart. I know many people who keep horses as a companion... people who used to ride but don't want to give up completely, etc. One of the people I graze/board with has only recently returned to riding. Before that she had two horses that she did nothing with but looked after them, mucked out their paddocks daily, groomed daily, rugged appropriately and cared for accordingly... in fact over winter she was down there twice a day - pretty big commitment for just an animal who is left to do as it pleases. Does this make her lazy because they were not used? No. In some cases the novelty of owning a horse wears off and cases like this happen a lot where the horse becomes a chore, than a friend. I think it's a little rude to be getting involved in someone else's business about how they look after their horse. As long as it's being cared for (if they're at a self sufficient boarding facility where the owners/staff care for it), I don't see why a weekly trip is deemed at them being lazy. Especially since you say they put in the work when they're there - "groom her to pristine cleanliness"
There are two sides to every story.
     
    11-10-2009, 12:52 PM
  #8
Trained
As far as the mares concerned she has the perfect owners. They take decent care of her and she can do as she pleases all but maybe an hour a week when they groom her and give her little horsey treats. Maybe they plan on breeding her or they can't get her in to the trainer they want.
     
    11-10-2009, 12:55 PM
  #9
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
As far as the mares concerned she has the perfect owners. They take decent care of her and she can do as she pleases all but maybe an hour a week when they groom her and give her little horsey treats. Maybe they plan on breeding her or they can't get her in to the trainer they want.
You hit that right on the head there.
     
    11-10-2009, 01:34 PM
  #10
Started
A one word answer : tradition and custom.
In Andalucia in Southern Spain, horse riding is largely a male dominated sport - even a culture. The men do not like to be seen riding anything else other than a flashy - often beautiful, stallion. Spanish men love to parade their horses.
If you visit the country fairs you will see milling about in the town square lots of well groomed, impeccably behaved, stallions ridden by some very well dressed men. Often there is a very traditionally dressed senora or senorita sitting up behind - sidesaddle.
A feria (fair) is without a doubt a fantastic sight and well worth seeing.

However one mare in season can cause havoc amongst the stallions. And so as to avoid problems in a crowded environment the men say: "stallions only".

At the bigger studs, mares are very often kept in a big communial paddock along with the youngstock. The stallions, and there can be a hundred, each have their own large stables. The stable grooms are invariably men.

In Britain - it is exactly the opposite - here this female dominated society says that stallions represent a hazard at the horse shows where there will be lots of ridden mares (some in season) - so almost invariably all colts are gelded at a young age unless there are plans to keep them for breeding.

It is the same fundamental problem of maintaining control- ie over excitement- but the Spaniards don't believe in the castration of a good horse, they believe only an entire horse has "spirit".

When the British go and live in Spain, they buy the mares and they have them schooled to ride. Schooling represents no more a problem than with any other breed of mare. But folks I know say that it is always best to school an Andalucian horse the Spanish way - which can be a bit harsh by British standards. The results can be spectacular and a well schooled, fancily bred Andalucian horse is a delight to ride. I can vouch for that.

It is also a breed well conditioned to living in a hot dry climate.

I'd love to own one but perhaps the grass is too rich and green where I live. They are also very expensive to buy. The really good ones rarely leave Spain. There is a tangled web of paperwork to follow to get an export licence for a well bred stallion.

Put that mare to stud but only to an Andalucian stallion
Or just maybe a Lusitano or perhaps a Lippizaner - dreams!!!!

My DiDi is the closest thing to a Lusitano which I could afford ( PS for "Lusitano" read "Portuguese Andalucian")

Barry G
     

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