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    06-21-2012, 06:03 AM
  #21
Foal
Totally agree with the longer whip.its a humane way toteach dominant horse to respect space.one of our guys will block the gate and back up and kick out at anyone else or terrorize the one I want to bring in. It took a while, using it consistantly (only have to show it it) he retreats to reasonable distance. Whats funny is the others look at him like "take that!" Like kids on a playground with a bully. Love the bag on end of whip idea!
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    06-21-2012, 06:14 AM
  #22
Yearling
I believe he said that that "hummingbird" had tried to double barrel him a couple of times the previous day and had been completely running over his owners.
I'm not in favor of cruelty, but a judicious use of that stock whip gets the message across quickly and VERY effectively. When respect and safety are involved, I'm all for fast and effective measures. I have tons of patience on other aspects of training. The humming bird analogy really fails because that handgrenade would obliterate the bird: the lunge whip wont even leave a welt. The horse I'm dealing with will NOT back out of your space with whirling lead ropes, hand gestures, etc. He IS going to experience the grocery bag on the end of the lunge whip and if that doesn't work, he WILL feel the lunge whip. He does have this nasty habit of whirling and kicking out and I want to be well out of range when he does.

I actually feel sort of sorry for him, because I think he's rather lonely and looking for attention. He goes NUTS when we take our horses out of the pasture and the paddock to go riding and he's left all alone. But we have 2 that take up a lot of our time, he's not ours, and feeling sorry for him does not mean that I'm going to extend attention and affection when it's just going to make him even MORE pushy. My God, he's pushy NOW and he doesn't get treats or attention! Once we solve the gate issue and he's standing back and not crowding, then MAYBE I'll show him a little attention. But it will be on my terms: I'll choose the time and place and it will be nowhere near a gate.
     
    06-21-2012, 06:29 AM
  #23
Foal
Totally the most respective and humane way to work the situation. Our gate bully did not care if it was human or horse in the way of his hind feet. I got kicked ad lost an ovary in my twenties from similar situation. I had to carry whip into pasture with me for a while to fetch a specific horse. Our bully would dog us to gate and cause other horse to jump around while I lead him in. He is now respectful- all I need to do is carry it
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    06-21-2012, 09:10 AM
  #24
Trained
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Originally Posted by MBFoley    
I'm subbing to this thread. I just moved to a new boarding stable with my two horses. One is in the mare field, one in the gelding field and both are still at the bottom of the pecking order. Today I wasn't able to feed either horse dinner because I couldn't get them out of the fields thanks to the other horses chasing mine away because they wanted attention. No amount of me trying to shoo them off did anything except get them all riled up and almost got me run over. EXTREMELY frustrating and I will not let my horses miss their meals, or me not be able to deal with them any time I want for any reason, just because of a bunch of pushy horses.
Same thing. Bring a long whip. When you're walking to your horse, do NOT allow another horse to follow you. Chase it away. Catch and halter your horse. Continue to chase them away.
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    06-21-2012, 10:35 AM
  #25
Foal
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Originally Posted by DancingArabian    
Same thing. Bring a long whip. When you're walking to your horse, do NOT allow another horse to follow you. Chase it away. Catch and halter your horse. Continue to chase them away.
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Thanks, that is my game plan for today. Last night I wasn't able to even get TO my mare, the other mares were all over me and charged her as I approached her :(
     
    06-21-2012, 11:06 AM
  #26
Trained
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Originally Posted by MBFoley    
Thanks, that is my game plan for today. Last night I wasn't able to even get TO my mare, the other mares were all over me and charged her as I approached her :(
Chase them farther away than you were. Make them believe that you're serious!
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    06-21-2012, 11:20 AM
  #27
Foal
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Originally Posted by DancingArabian    
Chase them farther away than you were. Make them believe that you're serious!
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Last night I was not able to chase them away at ALL. Like not even get them to back a step away from me. Flailing my arms, charging at them, yelling, got zero response and every time I would try to walk away from them they would follow, occasionally with bouncing around in the group which had me nervous about getting run over as they were also arguing with each other over who got to get the closest to me. Meanwhile my mare was staying far away. Today I will take a whip with me and the herd WILL stay back, hopefully I can earn some respect from the group although I suspect I will then have to win over Angel as she can be kind of spooky in her own right and will likely be upset by the ruckus. *sigh* I'll keep you posted on how it goes.
     
    06-21-2012, 11:28 AM
  #28
Yearling
I encounter the same type of thing when I go to put Izzy back in her field sometimes. She is low girl in the field and very intimidated by the others. At times, they block the gate area and Izzy is afraid to move forward.

My protective instinct took over one day early on. How dare they intimidate my horse??? And get in my space??? I didn't have a whip but I had the end of Izzy's lead rope with a leather popper and just started swinging it at the other horses. They cleared pretty fast.
Now, if there are any other horses crowding the gate, I just start swinging the rope and they clear. I think this helps Izzy see me as herd leader because I am making the dominant mare and her cronies move.
     
    06-21-2012, 12:38 PM
  #29
Green Broke
Just a lash whip, or even a long stick will work. And the lead rope doesn't always make a horse move, just depends on the horse and whether they are the kind to move off from something that will let them in range to strike out.

Something with length is best in my thoughts. That is what I use.

But this is dangerous, and could end up badly. Get a handle on this, so that the troublemaker knows you are to be avoided. AND if someone puts this horse in its place? Might not have so much trouble catching it either.
     
    06-21-2012, 01:15 PM
  #30
Yearling
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Originally Posted by HagonNag    
I believe he said that that "hummingbird" had tried to double barrel him a couple of times the previous day and had been completely running over his owners.
I'm not in favor of cruelty, but a judicious use of that stock whip gets the message across quickly and VERY effectively. When respect and safety are involved, I'm all for fast and effective measures. I have tons of patience on other aspects of training. The humming bird analogy really fails because that handgrenade would obliterate the bird: the lunge whip wont even leave a welt.
You don't think it'll leave a mark? I'm pretty sure that what that is, is a bull whip. They just call it 'stock whip' in Australia. I've seen the pickup men at the rodeo use these things to drive back a bull that is really out for blood and is less apt to back off than a horse is. What I see is that the guy was being very ineffective at first with the hand-flapping and annoying the colt to the point where he really was about to get kicked. I have noticed that often times trainers will do something like that, which they know is ineffective and will annoy the horse and cause a response to support and justify the thing that they're about to do next. I'm only saying this because I've done things just like this and given the same justifications. I can tell you from my own experience that the effect it has is to make the horse fear and distrust the human being and creates a situation that has to be fixed before normal training can resume. All I'm saying is that it is possible to bypass this and get the horse's respect without wailing the sh*t out of him and making him afraid. The only catch is, you have to be fearless and remain cool no matter what his response is. Most people cannot handle that.
     

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