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    12-20-2011, 11:16 PM
  #1
Weanling
Any experience with this bit?

Does anyone use this bit with your horse? Or have you in the past? Could you please tell me the pros and cons of this bit if you've had experience with it? Thanks (: SS Copper Mouth Western Correction Bit 5in - Statelinetack.com
     
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    12-20-2011, 11:22 PM
  #2
Weanling
A friend of mine uses a bit the is similar to this on one of her dude horses. The horse is an ex eventer and she would literally rear up and flip over because she didn't like the pressure from her snaffle (I don't know if that's the full story but I'll stick with it). She now has a bit that is very similar to that one and she hasent had a problem since.
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    12-20-2011, 11:23 PM
  #3
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Not a fan. No tongue relief but concentrated tongue pressure, plus a high port to hit the palate, but no bend for lateral action or finesse. If you want a ported bit, either get a solid one with no joints or a Myler / Billy Allen mouthpiece.
     
    12-20-2011, 11:40 PM
  #4
Weanling
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
If you want a ported bit, either get a solid one with no joints or a Myler / Billy Allen mouthpiece.
Could you point me in the right direction please (: I think my horse would benefit from one of these.
     
    12-20-2011, 11:46 PM
  #5
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Well, what are you looking for and what do you want? Horse age? Experience? Discipline? Current bit?
     
    12-21-2011, 12:25 AM
  #6
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A correction bit is very commonly used by reining and pleasure trainers as a transition bit to a longer shank and 'more' bridle as the horse gets more finished and switches to one handed riding. The bit shown has loose shanks and it can be ridden one or two handed.

The port on this bit is no where near where you have a bit to reach the roof of the horse's mouth.

Billy Allen bits are very 'dated'. The were used some by trainers 30 years ago, but there are much more effective bit nowadays. You won't find them in a trainer's tackroom much any more.

When you start looking for a bit to get a particular thing done on with a particular horse, you find out why trainers have 20 bridles or more hanging in their tackroom. There are bits that curve forward over a horse's tongue for those that do not like tongue pressure. You have high port for horses that like those. Dog bone training bits for horses coming out of a snaffle and on and on.

While I have 2 or more different bits set up, most of them have dust on them and I find 3 snaffles that are used on 90% of the horses that are in snaffle and about 2 or 3 shank bits for advanced horses. A correction bit is one of them.

How advanced is your horse and what exactly do you want to get done? What are you riding in new? All are relevant to what you want to move froward to.
     
    12-21-2011, 11:28 AM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
A correction bit is very commonly used by reining and pleasure trainers as a transition bit to a longer shank and 'more' bridle as the horse gets more finished and switches to one handed riding. The bit shown has loose shanks and it can be ridden one or two handed.

The port on this bit is no where near where you have a bit to reach the roof of the horse's mouth.

Billy Allen bits are very 'dated'. The were used some by trainers 30 years ago, but there are much more effective bit nowadays. You won't find them in a trainer's tackroom much any more.

When you start looking for a bit to get a particular thing done on with a particular horse, you find out why trainers have 20 bridles or more hanging in their tackroom. There are bits that curve forward over a horse's tongue for those that do not like tongue pressure. You have high port for horses that like those. Dog bone training bits for horses coming out of a snaffle and on and on.

While I have 2 or more different bits set up, most of them have dust on them and I find 3 snaffles that are used on 90% of the horses that are in snaffle and about 2 or 3 shank bits for advanced horses. A correction bit is one of them.

How advanced is your horse and what exactly do you want to get done? What are you riding in new? All are relevant to what you want to move froward to.
I read in a horse&rider that this bit is pretty good for green horses and a good transition from a snaffle. Bob Avila apparently loves the correction bit, and I'm a fan of his . I'm riding my horse in a tom thumb right now. I know a lot people aren't a fan of them.... Currently, we're working on getting a good headset, a nice slow pleasure lope, and getting the right lead. (my horse is 6 by the way) (: Bob Avila said it's a great bit for greenies and like I said, I trust his opinion and I think my horse might benefit from this bit. So I want to know everyone's experience with this kind of bit (: (P.S. I know that switching bits will not make him get a nice WP lope, get his leads down, get a perfect headset etc....Like I said I just think my horse would benefit from this, judging from what Bob Avila said.)
     
    12-21-2011, 12:06 PM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by xxGallopxx    
I read in a horse&rider that this bit is pretty good for green horses and a good transition from a snaffle. Bob Avila apparently loves the correction bit, and I'm a fan of his . I'm riding my horse in a tom thumb right now. I know a lot people aren't a fan of them.... Currently, we're working on getting a good headset, a nice slow pleasure lope, and getting the right lead. (my horse is 6 by the way) (: Bob Avila said it's a great bit for greenies and like I said, I trust his opinion and I think my horse might benefit from this bit. So I want to know everyone's experience with this kind of bit (: (P.S. I know that switching bits will not make him get a nice WP lope, get his leads down, get a perfect headset etc....Like I said I just think my horse would benefit from this, judging from what Bob Avila said.)
A correction bit is good for help in picking up shoulders so it may be helpful with picking up the correct lead. But I am going to agree with Bubba on the Myler mouthpeice. Bob Avila has a bit with a similar mouthpiece. It looks like a squared off correction port that hinges. This bit has the same benefits as the correction bit you pictured but it is better for a green horse.

Professional's Choice Bob Avila Del Mar Square Port Bit and Western Shank Bits | EQUESTRIAN COLLECTIONS.COM
     
    12-21-2011, 01:22 PM
  #9
Weanling
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
A correction bit is good for help in picking up shoulders so it may be helpful with picking up the correct lead. But I am going to agree with Bubba on the Myler mouthpeice. Bob Avila has a bit with a similar mouthpiece. It looks like a squared off correction port that hinges. This bit has the same benefits as the correction bit you pictured but it is better for a green horse.

Professional's Choice Bob Avila Del Mar Square Port Bit and Western Shank Bits | EQUESTRIAN COLLECTIONS.COM
Wow I didn't know that....Thanks! Yikes, that bit has a HUGE PRICE TAG!! He's not SUPER green though...He's got a good headset at walk and trot, were just mainly doing work at the lope....I really think he'd benefit from this kind of bit. I think I'll try the one I had picked out before, and if it doesn't work out, I'll maybe try the one you mentioned...If I can get myself to cough up the money thank you!
     
    12-21-2011, 01:38 PM
  #10
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by xxGallopxx    
Wow I didn't know that....Thanks! Yikes, that bit has a HUGE PRICE TAG!! He's not SUPER green though...He's got a good headset at walk and trot, were just mainly doing work at the lope....I really think he'd benefit from this kind of bit. I think I'll try the one I had picked out before, and if it doesn't work out, I'll maybe try the one you mentioned...If I can get myself to cough up the money thank you!
There are cheaper ones out there if you don't want to spend that much money, I was using the Bob Avila one as an example. Good Luck!
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