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post #1 of 7 Old 10-08-2010, 09:46 PM Thread Starter
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Any suggestions???

Ok this is the situation. I work at a base stable as a trail guide. And one of the horses that we have is WAY too pushy and just powerhouses her way through you or anything else. She is a large 2200lbs. percheron cross and is just too big to be acting in this manner. When you lead her she just trots off and completely ignores everthing you are telling her, or she will push into you and littereally walk on top of you. When asking her to move away from you either sideways or backing up she pushes all of her weight into you and keeps on going. She is rather dangerous with this. I so far in the past month have gotten stepped on by her 5 times, shoved into the pen gate 6 times and have had her powerhouse her way through the gate before I could close it more times than I can count. Unfortunately my manager seems to have the impression along with everyone else I work with that she doesn't do any of these things at all, while I have watched her do them with all of them, they don't seem to care, but I much rather not get killed by her. Any ideas on how I can curb this issue even if it's just with me? I can't smack her, use a crop, chain, or any other means of discipline, because they consider all of that abusive. And I'm already on probation for supposedly abusing a horse when I kicked them in the butt after they had tried kicking me. Anybody have some ideas of sneaky things I can do to fix this issue?

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post #2 of 7 Old 10-09-2010, 10:28 AM
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Do you have access to a large round pen? If you do, free lunge her. There is no "abusing" in this method. If they think this is abuse, they need to do more research on horses lol.

Use a lead rope, and get her to run around the pen. Always make sure you stay out of kicking distance, becuase a lot of times, when you get the horse to turn inside to you, then send them away, they protest. You never have to even touch her with anything.

Once she is listening to you well, her inside ear will tune in on you. You control which way she turns, and how she turns (inside or outside). Eventually, she will start to be submissive to you. Some horses lick their lips, it can be very subtle in some horses. When you feel she has been listening to you and responding to your actions, turn sideways from her, as this no longer confrontational and you are now letting her come back into your 'herd'.

She will either walk right up to you, or stop. If she walks up to you, she won't run you over. She now views you as the lead mare and she won't come into your space. You should be able to walk around the pen and she will follow you, without a halter and lead, and she won't be pushy doing it.

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post #3 of 7 Old 10-09-2010, 11:27 AM
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Ok I had this problem with a shire i used to own and she was a BIG BIG horse.During leading i was advised to use a chiffeny bit while leading . this bit is specifically designed for leading and is forbidden to ride in. Also carry a small crop whip , when she leans against you just give her a SMALL tap to tell her to get out of your personal space . as her master you have to state your personal space to him/her . you will find that she will start to become easier to lead and you will have to ask her less to keep out of your space. oh just finished reading it. Ok ditch the crop idea. Ok spend some time with her on the floor , try this exersize.
1.establish the 3 points of pressure . Shoulder,Rightside of flank/rump and lower neck. 2. The first thing you need to do it give her what i call stage one pressure with your hand . in other words very lightly touch her asking her too move over ut of your space on any of the pressure points . it will go similar to this
1.Your at her shoulder[remember to do it both sides as horses only learn this way] you want to put
stage 1-gently touch-like a whisper
stage 2-More pressure-like a talk
stage 3-even harder-a strong talk
stage 4- presss your hardest and hold it until she shifts-your shouting!
during these four stages if at any time she moves a foot or even better all feet then release the pressure - take your hand right off.
This may sound a painstakingly long proceedure but do it every day . after a month i could move my arm towards my shires shoulder and she moved away. where as i was first on stage 4 for a LONG LONG time.
However you need to make differences between positive and negative movements
positive- putting your arm towards her shoulder too stroke it
negative- asking for her to move over ,
if you dont show her the positive too she may just start to assume arm movements mean move away and you dont want a left brain to turn into a right brain - fleeeing from movement.
please let me know how you get on :)

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post #4 of 7 Old 10-09-2010, 03:48 PM
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Abusive to whom?

The barn will not allow you to use a crop to push off a horse that is abusing you? That's wierd.
It's not abusive to apply a crop to a horse that is not respecting your space and is endangering you.

Abuse is if you just beat the horse, on and on and without any reason except that it pissed you off or scared you. I would want to lay down the law with that horse and a couple of swift bites with a crop (just as a lead horse would do ) wwould make the impression needed such that use of the crop again would be minimal or not needed. If her "push" on you is big, then your answer has to be as big and a tiny bit more to get her to recognize your leadership.
However, this doesn't help you if they refuse to allow you a crop. YOu can use the end of the leadrope as a propeller and swing it such that if SHE comes forward, she runs herself into the propeller and gets smacked on the nose. You are static in you position and she has the choice to run into the propeller or not. Then you signal a back up at the halter and if she doesn't backup as you are moving toward her with that propeller, then it will eventually reach her and nop her on the nose. It doesn't take much and since you swing the rope in a constant cirlce like a propeller, it's not lake just running up and swinging it at her nose, which would build up headshyness.
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Thanks for all the tips guys. I know it is really ridiculous that I can't use a crop or even better a dressage whip with her. But unfortuanately I work with a bunch of high drama girls that are trying their hardest to get me fired. Of course they can along with the manager use the crops but they seem to think this mare isn't an issue at all. I will have to do my best I guess and try the pressure points. I already know what it is going to be right now, use all force can to get her to move.

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post #6 of 7 Old 10-11-2010, 08:56 PM
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Get a STIFF rope halter…they shouldn't object to a rope halter and it will make a big difference. For her leaning and bulling you when you cue her to move over, use a hoof pick…hold it in your hand and press with the handle first, if you don't get a response, press with the pointed end…she'll get the idea and no one should object…and you can keep it in your back pocket and no one will be the wiser.

Good luck…

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post #7 of 7 Old 10-12-2010, 02:51 AM
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Good idea, Horse poor. Very sneaky!
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