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        02-20-2013, 10:37 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    Good point about getting folks doing something with their horses. And I think it is great if folks want to learn and do more, everyone should strive to be better- no matter what it is. I guess my foul-up is not the cowboy turned trainer, it's the trainer turned "cowboy".
    I know, personally, a couple of guys that are great cowboys went on to apprentice under a trainer and are training for themselves. If I mentioned names, most would say "who???". One actually put on a cow horse deal in Winnemucca(why I used that reference earlier) and a pile of handy guys showed up to take part, it was the who's who. That speaks volumes, in my opinion.
    Another guy who is just down the road from me, awesome cowboy, started training horses. Wouldn't know his name if I said it, went over there the other day, all his colts are quiet, easy going but not babied, shows them cattle right away, but not pushed, no yanking and jerking. His aged horses ride super nice and he has won some money.
    To look at these guys if you seen them in town or anywhere else, you would never known they could even manage to saddle one. No wool vest and flat hat, no spurs on in Wal-Mart(I seen that today *head desk*)
    These are the guys that have done it but don't use the "buckaroo" image to their advantage, they are just training horses and showing folks how to ride them.





    (Taps in the SW, I agree different deal, Cholla needles are nasty! I have used them a couple of times during the winter in nasty weather before I had snow-pacs and trying to stuff wool socks into the biggest boot I had to stay warm or a wet heavy snow from soaking through, they were not very well balanced and I spent all my energy trying to keep my foot shoved into them rather than staying warm! LOL! All that stuff has a time and place :)
         
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        02-21-2013, 12:42 AM
      #22
    Foal
    I will say this, where you work and what other's think of you does not make you a good horseman. Richard Caldwell was mentioned earlier, Richard has been fairly successful in the NRCHA and has a pretty good following. I called him about a branding last week. He mentioned that he had offered to do clinics and there were only a few people interested in participating. Does this make him a bad horseman? Not in my book, did he go and and work for a bunch of large ranches? Nope, most of what he learned he picked up from Ted Robinson back in the day.

    As for Jeff, I know that he grew up on a ranch and has a ranch currently. He learned from his grandfather who was an incredible horseman in California and then moved to Nevada to work on a ranch. One of the reasons why he loves going over to Europe is because he likes to spend time with the classical baroque masters like Bent Branderup. He is not a guy who puts on a costume and goes to work. In fact I have been at brandings with him and it always impresses me how often he offers to be the ground crew.

    Like I said, I don't need to defend these guys there horses are the ones that do the talking.
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        02-21-2013, 08:04 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
    Where you work actually can make you a better horseman and cowboy. I know if I ride too much by myself or rope with a group that does not rope as well as me, I get stagnant. If I ride or rope with people better than me, I ride and rope tougher. When you work with guys that are handy, you learn from them and you better yourself.

    If I decided to spend my money on learning about ranch roping am I going to go to the team roper dressed like a buckaroo or to the guy that made a living doing it?
         
        02-21-2013, 08:22 PM
      #24
    Yearling
    Hell, I just wish I could find someone that did ranch roping around here. It isn't exactly a hot bed of vaquero/ buckaroo horsemanship and ranch ropings. unfortunately that is why I asked about Jeff. I will have to resort to videos and maybe catching a clinic someday. Of course with another little one on the way that will probably be put on a back burner for sometime.
         
        02-21-2013, 10:10 PM
      #25
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
    If I decided to spend my money on learning about ranch roping am I going to go to the team roper dressed like a buckaroo or to the guy that made a living doing it?
    If you are implying that Jeff is a team roper turned buckaroo. You haven't seen him rope It is quite opposite, he was a buckaroo that turned team roper for a few years. But you could also see him in the Californio's highlight DVD. I also believe there is a video on youtube if you needed further proof. Since it sounds like you will hang him out to dry before ever spend a day with him.

    I agree with you that there are a lot of clinicians out there that take a lot of pride in knowing just a bit more than what the participants do. They conduct a clinic and teach what they have heard or seen others do. This is not a horseman in my book. It takes a lot for a person to put themselves out there and offer to teach others about horsemanship and I respect that of anyone. It is up to the participants to decide whether they got there money's worth. It is entertaining to see some of them come across some rank horses and not know what to do. But every horseman has been through that. Buck has stories about some of his early clinics that would make you think otherwise of him. Putting on a clinic doesn't make you any more of a cowboy than someone who shows up to a rodeo wearing a pair of wranglers. But being on a big outfit or owning cattle doesn't necessarily give you my respect either.
         
        02-21-2013, 10:21 PM
      #26
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    Originally Posted by Fort fireman    
    Hell, I just wish I could find someone that did ranch roping around here. It isn't exactly a hot bed of vaquero/ buckaroo horsemanship and ranch ropings. unfortunately that is why I asked about Jeff. I will have to resort to videos and maybe catching a clinic someday. Of course with another little one on the way that will probably be put on a back burner for sometime.
    There are people in NC who do ranch style roping. I wish I could remember where or the name of the group.

    I had reason to travel to the Tryon, NC and Spartanburg, SC area a few years ago and being from Wyoming everyone wanted me to check out their roping. I never made it to an event, but saw some videos on youtube. There were some decent ropers and people who could both work with a horse and had good technique for handling cattle. Granted it was in an arena, but roping at brandings in a corral or rodear is where most start anyway.

    I'll look around youtube and see what I can find, but it won't be for a few days.

    Heck, if I was the only one on earth wanting to do things that way, I'd give it a shot.
         
        02-21-2013, 10:35 PM
      #27
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fort fireman    
    Hell, I just wish I could find someone that did ranch roping around here. It isn't exactly a hot bed of vaquero/ buckaroo horsemanship and ranch ropings. unfortunately that is why I asked about Jeff. I will have to resort to videos and maybe catching a clinic someday. Of course with another little one on the way that will probably be put on a back burner for sometime.
    Look up Pat Puckett, him and his wife Deb spend a lot of time on the east coast, and he is one heck of a horseman.

    Have you ever thought about hosting a clinic?
         
        02-21-2013, 11:58 PM
      #28
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by boots    
    There are people in NC who do ranch style roping. I wish I could remember where or the name of the group.

    I had reason to travel to the Tryon, NC and Spartanburg, SC area a few years ago and being from Wyoming everyone wanted me to check out their roping. I never made it to an event, but saw some videos on youtube. There were some decent ropers and people who could both work with a horse and had good technique for handling cattle. Granted it was in an arena, but roping at brandings in a corral or rodear is where most start anyway.

    I'll look around youtube and see what I can find, but it won't be for a few days.

    Heck, if I was the only one on earth wanting to do things that way, I'd give it a shot.
    There was a group that I found awhile back called the southeastern buckaroo assoc. They did stuff in Georgia and Tennessee but I haven't been able to locate there website for some time. Most of the other stuff I find is the team roping type stuff. I did find a lady that does some ranch horse comps up toward Asheville. I just haven't been able to get up with her to get info. I'm still looking around but I do have to admit it has kind of been put on the back burner. I spend most of my time when I'm not at the fire house running daddy day care. It's pretty tough to do that stuff with an 18 month old in the saddle with ya. Especially when she wants to hold the reins for ya.

    As for hosting a clinic? I wouldn't have the foggiest idea of where to even start that whole deal.
         
        02-24-2013, 10:07 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Toymanator    
    If you are implying that Jeff is a team roper turned buckaroo. You haven't seen him rope It is quite opposite, he was a buckaroo that turned team roper for a few years. But you could also see him in the Californio's highlight DVD. I also believe there is a video on youtube if you needed further proof. Since it sounds like you will hang him out to dry before ever spend a day with him.

    I agree with you that there are a lot of clinicians out there that take a lot of pride in knowing just a bit more than what the participants do. They conduct a clinic and teach what they have heard or seen others do. This is not a horseman in my book. It takes a lot for a person to put themselves out there and offer to teach others about horsemanship and I respect that of anyone. It is up to the participants to decide whether they got there money's worth. It is entertaining to see some of them come across some rank horses and not know what to do. But every horseman has been through that. Buck has stories about some of his early clinics that would make you think otherwise of him. Putting on a clinic doesn't make you any more of a cowboy than someone who shows up to a rodeo wearing a pair of wranglers. But being on a big outfit or owning cattle doesn't necessarily give you my respect either.

    There is more to being a cowboy than just making a horse. Of course making a good horse makes the job easier, but that is not the extent of it, you have to be a cowman first.
    You take the cowboying part out of making a bridle horse then what is the point?
    People are getting hung-up on the horse end and forgetting why, no sense in promoting the method if you do not use it for what it was intended...it all comes back to the cows.
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        02-25-2013, 01:53 AM
      #30
    Foal
    It is said "The cowboys used there horses to work the cattle, whereas the vaqueros used the cattle to work there horses."
         

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