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post #1 of 8 Old 03-13-2011, 11:52 PM Thread Starter
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Anyone use a Pee Wee bit???

Hi everyone...

I've heard a lot of good things about this particular bit (Pee Wee) from saddlers in particular I’m wondering if it is the “New best thing that they are trying to sell” or if this bit is as kind to both horse and rider as they are saying…

I would like to hear from people who use it and what you use it for...

I currently use an egg butt snaffle (always have or a D Snaffle) but my new mare (Maddy) fights both these bits...I should say that this mare hadn't been ridden in 3yrs when I purchased her at Christmas 2010…she had no buck or any undesirable behaviour when I jumped on, she is leg responsive & she does have lovely movement once settled...I see much potential in her.

I'm trying to get her to slow down under saddle & transition through her gates on a loose rein…I would like to get her to listen to me through my voice and seat...(the voice she listens to at a longe, but she remains "deaf to both tone & seat" under saddle).
I've always been very light with my hands and I do my very best to use my seat & legs more then rein or bit contact…but it's a little more difficult with this little mare, I need to check her back all the time & I find that I'm required to keep a firm contact with her at all times when riding, this is not fun for her or for me…in fact I find I can’t relax and my riding position is stiffened by this. I don't think she has a dead mouth & I don’t want to use a harsh bit on her, I just want to be able to work with my horse and not have her work against me by pulling to go faster all the time.

Maddy will collect correctly lifting from the shoulder, she's smart & is learning some of the things I'm teaching her easily enough...neck reining we are about 40% there, engage hind, disengage hind to manoeuvre cattle is slowly clicking, we even accomplished a “step” spin keeping her hind engaged and moving just her front quarters, would really love to do some reining with her but at the moment I’m just developing the very basics to get her more fluid around the cattle…at the moment she’s not that handy with skittish calves but we’re getting there slowly, I’m happy with her willingness & she is now over her “they’re scary” issues.

Any advice would be welcome.

Cheers Beth
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post #2 of 8 Old 03-14-2011, 12:42 AM
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I bought a PeeWee bit online about a year ago. The hype sounded great. It came and I thought it was a bit too big. They assured me , no. But the "wings" onthe side don't push on the side of the mouth until the bit has pulled quite a way through the mouth. The angle of the wings just wasn't right for my horse.
I think where it is successful is where horse's can't stand pressure on the bar or palate pressure. The PW is think and puts pressure mostly on the tongue, with a little on the bars if you really pull. If you horse hates palate pressure, she will like it. I did not think it made the hrose any more responsive to turn signals than a full cheek or eggbut, though.

One bit you might look into, if you wanna try one, is the Rocking S. But, in all honesty, there isn't a huge difference between it and a D ring.

I don't know if that is helpful. I would lend you mine if we were neighbors.

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post #3 of 8 Old 03-14-2011, 08:26 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks Caroline...

I've been out of the game for close on 13yrs now and Maddy is a bit of a project for me. I want to educate her as softly as possible...just like a green or young horse...but there are a lot of things that seem different now & a lot of new gadgets that I've never seen before.
Maddy was used for junior eventing & pony club before I purchased her. The young girl, while a capable rider, is like most young people I see taring around the pony club grounds...all race with no rest or recoup for the poor old GG until someone says break.
Maddy is making progress but I would like to try something to help with the pulling, at the moment I'm finding that if I ride bare back she's calmer through her trot & canter gates but she still doesn't respond well to the snaffle & still wants to race...she's just not very responsive to subtle indicators that a properly trained horse responds well to... for example I've been doing a lot of ground work with her & can now "back up" on the ground, but she still refuses to back once I'm in riding position (I get the indication that she's never been asked to "back") so I'm taking her right back to basic training... at the moment she over collects or trys to rear...I in no way want to encourage that so I'm taking it slowly so that things just click for her at her pace.
If you have any suggestions let me know...

Kind Regards Beth.
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Does this horse know how to respond to lateral pressure? The problem with snaffle bits is they are not designed for "pulling back" like curbs are...they are designed more for the lateral pressure, which is why alot of people find that they have little to no control with a simple snaffle...they don't take the time to teach the horse to respond to lateral pressure, and expect him to understand the pulling back on the reins.

A simple way to start teaching her to "slow down" or maintain the gait you want: When you find that she wants to rush, or breaks gait (faster), take one rein lightly and get her into a smaller circle, and when she resumes the speed, or gait you were in, then release, and let her go back to the rail. Do this each time she wants to rush when you are not looking for that response. You can also do figure 8s or serpentines to get her to slow down, as well, you don't have to do "just" circles.

"The ideal horseman has the courage of a lion, the patience of a saint, and the hands of a woman..."

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Beth, I have an idea, something that I actually CAN help you with; the backing! If she resists, "over rounds" or threatens to rear, the she feels stuck. I will take a guess in that perhaps you are asking her to back using both reins, right? Both reins on , and evenly so, at the same time?

Here's a thought;

Next time you ask her to back, first of all really look for a change in her thinking. I mean, look for her thinking about backing, and give your release when you feel the slightest change in her body as per her thinking about backing. ALSO, put a little bend in her first. Get her to give one side of her face , I mean give at the jaw, and then ask for the back up. To do this you will have to pick one rein, apply it actively (like a soft "milking" of that rein) until she gives in that jaw, then while keeping that bend you bring in the other rien to say, "back up" But keep the bend createing rein as your dominant rein.

If she really locks up and starts to feel like the only way out she can figure is UP, then drop the supporting rein and take the bending rein in enough to actually cause her to disengage the hind quarters. She;ll step that side hind leg under her body and rock her weight back onto her hind , then she;ll straighten out. And you try again with the back up. The purpose to doing that little disenagagement of the hindquarters is to break up her brace, get her feet moving and then she should be softer and more willing to back up.
And be sure to accept a small try at first with a big Thank You on your part.
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Thanks guys...

Mum2pride.."Does this horse know how to respond to lateral pressure?"

In answer, I haven't had Maddy that long...I'm still feeling her out & we are taking our time, plus I’m still green & re acquainting myself with lingo...I presume Lateral pressure is independent rein...she responds well at a walk with everything...but her other gaits need a ton of work...I'm seeing some improvement bare back but rein pressure needs to be maintained, I want to move away from bit control as much as other horses have all been very soft and supple in the mouth, i only ever had to sit heavier in my seat, use only the slightest brake & say "whoa". Maddy doesn't seem to know this word at all even at a I’m working on her basic voice commands as well.
I don't have a round yard in which to work as yet, but I’ll eventually put one up as I would like to breed a foal or two from this mare & will need one to work with the youngsters & teach my kids to ride etc.

Caroline...I'll give your ideas a try for help with "Back up" although Maddy will bend easily…I've done a bit of this with her so she’s gives really well to me. One question… the one rein confuses me…in relation to backing I would like her to back straight…she hasn’t reared as yet but she’s behavedas if she were about to I haven’t forced the issue…I look at other ways, when I ask her to back up it is with a small amount of pressure, if there is no reaction or “thinking” I apply just a little more and again ask for “back up” but the result is always the same she drops her head to her chest almost & I can’t do anything from there so release the asking pressure…but I don’t get frustrated at her I just again do it from the ground go through the process and then try again once she gives a step or two on the ground but I think with me walking beside her from the shoulder is her indication to step back…
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By one rein, I meant one rein having greater pressure than the other. If she is just bending, but not bending and disengaing a hind end when you back her with one rein greater than the other, then she really doesn't have a connection of the rein to her FEET.

If you give the release to her when she just pulls her head to her chest, she will think that that is all she mustdo to get a release. LIFT that one rein, straight up to get her to give her jaw, and then apply one leg on the side you are bending her toward to hint to her that not only do you want her to bend, you want her to step that side's hind leg over and back.

I understand that your objective is to back straight. I only mentioned this strategy to use if the horse is blocked and wont do anything with their feet, and starts to feel so trapped that they are thinking of goin up.

Your mission is to break out their feet. Movement begets movement. When in doubt, move!

So, if you get her to step that hind under, you give a small release then ask for back up before she gets stopped mentally. one step with that "step over" foot and one of the other, and you've got a tiny straight backup.

Don't get hung up on being straight relative to the fence or to whatever your starting position was. Straight is just two steps egual to each other.

If you do try the Pee Wee, PM me and let me know how it goes. I am curious.
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as mentioned lateral flexion and backing will help get the horse softer to whatever bit your using.
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