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  • After being told to stop so many times the horse though this
  • My horse won't stop backing up

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    03-12-2012, 02:29 PM
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Foal
Asking horse to back up after stop?

I was visiting someone with horses yesterday and she told me her neighbor told her to back her horse up a few steps after a stop so it ends up on it's "butt" (I think she might of meant haunches? Lol)

When I did dressage I don't remember doing this. Can anyone explain? Is it a western thing or does it just depend on the horse?

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    03-12-2012, 02:51 PM
  #2
Green Broke
I do this with Lucky everytime I stop, aside from trail rides. She has a bouncy stop from a canter (games especially) and it's really hard on my back.

The basic is that the horse will anticipate being asked to back, so they'll stop on their haunches instead of hopping to a stop. A lot of western sport riders (aside from pleasure, trail, etc) don't normally slow down before they stop (stopping after the horse it reaches a walk/trot, versus a canter or run..kind of like sliding stops, without the excessive sliding..ya know?), so it's usually hard on both the horse and rider when the horse jams its front end down instead of rocking back and using its butt to stop, creating a smoother canter/stop transition.

I might not have explained that the best..but I'm sure it's enough to get the general idea across.
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    03-12-2012, 02:55 PM
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Showing
It only helps if you are getting the horse to go forward correctly and back up correctly. If the horse travels hollow and strung out going forward and is hollow and strung out while backing up, then they won't stop on their hind end no matter how many times you repeat the action.

However, if you are doing it right, backing up when you stop (not every single time, though) will help them learn to stop harder and faster with less cueing and if they are already nicely rounded up, it will help them to be more consistent about staying round and stopping on the rear end smoothly.
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    03-12-2012, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
It only helps if you are getting the horse to go forward correctly and back up correctly. If the horse travels hollow and strung out going forward and is hollow and strung out while backing up, then they won't stop on their hind end no matter how many times you repeat the action.

However, if you are doing it right, backing up when you stop (not every single time, though) will help them learn to stop harder and faster with less cueing and if they are already nicely rounded up, it will help them to be more consistent about staying round and stopping on the rear end smoothly.

I agree , word for word.
     
    03-12-2012, 03:26 PM
  #5
Yearling
I also agree woth smrobs but I just wanted to add one thing.

I back my horse a couple steps after almost every stop. Lots of people forget to make sure the shoulders are up while backing. Backing a horse while the shoulders are down and back hallow like smrobs said will teach your horse nothing.
     
    03-12-2012, 03:31 PM
  #6
Trained
I also do, but that comes with reining training.
     
    03-12-2012, 03:56 PM
  #7
Trained
There are some good tips in "The Hackamore Reinsman" by Ed Connell. It was written in the 30's or 40's so some of the terms aren't what we are used to but it's really good advice and a good way to make a horse.
     
    03-12-2012, 04:20 PM
  #8
Green Broke
Agree with all the above....something to add...stopping and especially backing will tell you were your horse is stuck out or stiff. If your horse pulls on your hands during a stop he is stiffening somewhere else in his body. Same with a back up, however I little more telling especially when he backs crooked.
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    03-12-2012, 07:26 PM
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Trained
It depends on what discipline you are doing. You mentioned you had some dressage lessons - in dressage, you should certainly not ask for rein back every time you halt. The horse cannot be thinking backwards in halt, only forwards, otherwise they anticipate the rein back and will step back in the halt - and you will lose big marks.
     

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