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post #1 of 6 Old 04-03-2011, 05:00 AM Thread Starter
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Attempting to lung Sammy

Yesterday I had a big success with Sammy lunging he was doing it like an old pro. Then today I was trying him again because I couldn't ride and he was back to what he did when we first started lunging. What he does to avoid it is he'll do about half a circle then coming barging into you and try to shove you with his shoulder. Normally I give him all the cues to go and stay out. Then when he started giving signals he was going to come in I would put pressure on his shoulder to tell him to stay out. Yesterday that would have been enough but today he would just barge right through it. I even resorted to hitting him on the shoulder with the end or the rope (i wasn't using a whip but he is the same with a whip) but that just made him speed up towards me. I know I was hitting him pretty hard and normally he backs off very quickly when hit by something (not to make it sound like I bash him). I also know you are not meant to move your feet because that means they have won but if I didn't I would have been run over and I only moved enough that he couldn't step on me then I would keep trying to push him out. Still no excuse but at first I thought he was just very friendly but I have come to realise he has no idea of the meaning of personal space.I would ask my trainer but I'm not going to see her for at least a few days. I was hoping to get some tips on here. I normally work by myself unless I'm in a lesson. I'm a bit unsure of what to do. Do I just keep at what I have been doing or are there some tips on other things I could try? Thanks

My two horse Apache and Sammy are my world
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post #2 of 6 Old 04-03-2011, 06:31 AM Thread Starter
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My two horse Apache and Sammy are my world
along with our dogs Patch and Bear.
But I will always love you Jimmy R.I.P
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post #3 of 6 Old 04-03-2011, 12:25 PM
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Like you said, it sounds like he doesn't have much respect for you.

I would be very consistent every time your around him that he gives you your space.

As far as the lunging goes, I worked with a horse who did this to me for a while. The horse belonged to someone else and she always did a terrible job of lunging him and letting him get away with bad behavior on the lunge line. As your horse does, he dives in at certain parts of the circle and tries to run me over. What I did--and sounds like you're doing--was smack him hard on the shoulder with the lunge whip as he dives to you. If he doesn't listen, get him on the head. He may then act head shy but after awhile he'll learn to respect you.

Another thing to work on is shoulder and hindquarter control. First work on his hindquarters. You always want him to disengage his hindquarters when you use your body language to drive them away. After you have that mastered, you need to get him to move his shoulders all around. This will help with the diving into the lunge circle. I prefer to do this on a shorter lunge line so the horse is about 5 feet away from you. Be CONFIDENT. With you at his shoulder about 5 feet away from him, send him out to circle you but don't let him go out too far. Here is when you want him to arc around you and move his shoulders away from you. Always advance towards his shoulders. If he isn't listening, shake the line or tap him on his shoulders with the whip. This is easier if you have a dressage whip because sometimes the long lunge whip gets awkward. The point of this exercise is from him to move his shoulders and for you to keep your personal bubble.

You can always mix this up a bit by suddenly asking him to disengage his hindquarters and then send him out again moving his shoulders.

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post #4 of 6 Old 04-03-2011, 01:00 PM
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I would suggest you try teaching him to lunge as if he has never learned to do it before. Start from the basics with parallel leading and work up from there. Keep your sessions short (No more than 5 min at first, gradually over time, work up to a max of 20 min. Never lunge more than 20 min.) and be sure to praise him constantly when he is good. Do your best to make it a positive experience for him. try and end your work before he starts acting up, it's always better to finish a lesson with a positive vibe. Even if it means only lungeing him for 3-4 minutes. You can always work upwards from there.
Do not tolerate aggresive behavior from him. I used to work with a pony who would charge and try to bite people when he was in his paddock. What I did with him was carry a riding crop in my hand and when he charged me I stood my ground gave him a firm smack on the chest with it and told him NO! I only had to do that once.

Good luck!
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post #5 of 6 Old 04-03-2011, 01:32 PM
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We use a pole with difficult horses:

what I mean is, you have a sturdy pole/post in the ground in the middle where you lunge. You keep your rope on the ouside of that, while continuing to lunge like you normally do. If the horse goes to come inside towards you, you pull the rope tight against the pole, and move your body around, forcing the horse to move forward. It's sort of hard to describe, but does that make sense?
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post #6 of 6 Old 04-03-2011, 05:16 PM Thread Starter
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thanks guys. yes SAsamone your post makes sense I have thought of that before but dont have pole/post to use.

My two horse Apache and Sammy are my world
along with our dogs Patch and Bear.
But I will always love you Jimmy R.I.P
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