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    01-24-2011, 08:15 PM
  #1
Foal
Backing up while mounting~

Hey guys, I'm stuck here, so I thought I'd come here for advice.

The past 2 days, my horse has started backing up when I try to mount her.
This has NEVER happened before.

Now, when I even PLACE the mounting block by her side, she backs up.
How should I respond?

Today I just pulled her forward, replaced the block by her side, and she just kept on at it.

I never got her to stand still, rather got on REALLY fast while she was backing up and turning sideways- not the best thing to do.

Anywho, I need to know how I should respond to this, right when she backs up (short term) and how to stop it (longterm).

Thanks so much.
     
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    01-24-2011, 08:34 PM
  #2
Green Broke
You know your horse, so I assume you would know if mounting were simply painful to her versus her just being sour.

If she is being sour, it depends on how stubborn she's willing to be. You said that getting off and making her step again doesn't work. That would be plan A and usually works. Plan A didn't work with my horse either; no about of resetting her position would do me any good.

First, make sure she knows the command "stand". When she moves, reset and say stand. Do this first on the ground, pretty much teaching her to ground tie. This may seen unnecessary, but it helps a lot. Make sure you know right were the line in the sand is. If she moves a single foot one step forwards, that's crossing the line. You have to be strict, because, more than likely, if you give her an inch she'll take a mile.

After she gets the jist of "stand", you can proceed in two ways. One, you can stand all day, resetting her position and making her stand. If she moves a foot, sharpy yell "NO!", reset her, and make her stand right where she was. Say "stand" and pet her.

The next approach is a little "harsher". Put her on a lunge line, halter underneath her bridle. Tell her to stand and move the mounting block next to her. The second she steps away, make her think she just pushed you over the edge. Yell at her and make her circle you on the line. She wanted to move, after all! After a lap or two, try again. Eventually, she'll get that standing completely still is a heck of a lot more fun than running circles and getting yelled at. Be sure to pet and praise when she stands correctly.


There are a lot of other ways to go about this, but that worked for me. I again encourage you to check her back and make sure she isn't sore before assuming she's sour!
     
    01-24-2011, 08:48 PM
  #3
Trained
If a horse wants to move his feet when I am trying to mount, well, I make him move his feet FAST!!!! There is nothing that fixes a fidgity horse quicker than hard work...

So don't try to pull her foward, or yank on her to make her stand still...if she wants to move, then make her move; I will lunge, do sending exercises, backing, hip yielding, etc... Make sure she is wanting to stop by the time you ask her too...ie, don't be afraid to make her sweat if necessary; standing still for you to mount is going to basically be "her" idea. You are taking the 'fun' out of backing away, by making her work super hard, and she will want to stand still for whatever you want her to do. It may take a few sessions for her to become solid, and the first session will probably take a while, since she got away with it the last time. I am not one to simply cover a habit like that, by having someone hold the horse, or dashing on as soon as his feet stop moving for a second; work through it, and make her learn that standing still is the best option she has.
     
    01-24-2011, 10:13 PM
  #4
Super Moderator
Yeah, if she backs, jump off the block and back her up vigously, and best if you do it in a circle to keep her from bracind too much against you.
Until she wants to stop then you back her some more.

Bring her up to the block and if she stands while you get on, then get off and praise her, pet her, take a short break, maybe a treat (fed on the ground, or even ON the block) , Then start again with no reference to before, no expectation that it's going to go south again.
     
    01-24-2011, 10:45 PM
  #5
Foal
Thank you for the replies guys!
So- I've gathered if she backs up, I should make her work. This was what I thought, sometimes we just need to hear it from someone else though. :P

So even if the problem is backing up, when she does it I could take the reins, and back her up excessively so she gets tired of it? Or would that just reinforce the whole backwards movement?
Isn't it best to keep her moving forward simply because it's the opposite of the backwards movement that I DON'T want?
     
    01-24-2011, 10:52 PM
  #6
Super Moderator
Kinda. She is wanting to make the decision to move when she knows she is supposed to stand still, so you make that choice an uncomfortable one, so she will not make that choice again. You could make it uncomfortable by driving her forward and around you, but staying with the behaviour that she THINKS is desirable but you want to show as undesireable is the way to go.
     
    01-24-2011, 11:18 PM
  #7
Foal
Alright. ^^
I will try all of this tomorrow, and post again saying how things went.

Thank you for all of your help!
     
    01-24-2011, 11:43 PM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by GiveMeGrace    
Thank you for the replies guys!
So- I've gathered if she backs up, I should make her work. This was what I thought, sometimes we just need to hear it from someone else though. :P

So even if the problem is backing up, when she does it I could take the reins, and back her up excessively so she gets tired of it? Or would that just reinforce the whole backwards movement?
Isn't it best to keep her moving forward simply because it's the opposite of the backwards movement that I DON'T want?
Well when I am working with a horse that I know has that sort of a problem, I will put the rope halter on over the bridle, and use the lead rope to do the work, rather than bit and reins...you could use mechates though, if you have them, but I just use the halter and lead. Basically be prepared to do the ground work; don't wait until she is wanting to be a brat about mounting, be ready to put her butt to work.

Honestly, it really doesn't matter what mode of 'motion' you choose, because what is going to 'register' in her mind, is that all of a sudden, her idea has become YOUR idea; you have to be quick about the whole thing though...once she starts backing up, you have to decide what you want her to do, and commit to it...and get those feet moving very quickly; don't let her putz around...if she wants to move make her MOVE!

Horses are 'by nature' lazy critters...she will figure out quickly that backing up is not the answer, simply because it's making her have to work more. You are making the wrong thing hard for her.
     
    01-25-2011, 12:28 AM
  #9
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by mom2pride    
Well when I am working with a horse that I know has that sort of a problem, I will put the rope halter on over the bridle, and use the lead rope to do the work, rather than bit and reins...you could use mechates though, if you have them, but I just use the halter and lead. Basically be prepared to do the ground work; don't wait until she is wanting to be a brat about mounting, be ready to put her butt to work.

Honestly, it really doesn't matter what mode of 'motion' you choose, because what is going to 'register' in her mind, is that all of a sudden, her idea has become YOUR idea; you have to be quick about the whole thing though...once she starts backing up, you have to decide what you want her to do, and commit to it...and get those feet moving very quickly; don't let her putz around...if she wants to move make her MOVE!

Horses are 'by nature' lazy critters...she will figure out quickly that backing up is not the answer, simply because it's making her have to work more. You are making the wrong thing hard for her.
Thank you! That was really helpful.
My trainer would probably see me with the bridle on top of the halter and lay an egg, so I'm going to stick to backing her up w/ the bridle or turning her in tight circles on the ground as opposed to lunging.
     
    01-25-2011, 12:57 AM
  #10
Trained
I don't put bridles on over halters...I put the halter on after I've bridled, that way the halter doesn't interfere with the bridle, if you wind up leaving the halter on...it's a pet peeve of mine seeing halters (especially flat nylon ones) on under bridles, because they can interfere with your bridle cues...
     

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