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post #21 of 97 Old 09-23-2010, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by NicoleB View Post
Sorry you misunderstood.
I misunderstood nothing. Hearsay is NOT evidence. The only evidence you personally have is your one particular experience and I'm skeptical of even that, considering you supposedly left your horse in the hands of someone you knew was abusive. That does not make you an expert on 'the majority'.
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post #22 of 97 Old 09-23-2010, 11:08 AM
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I agree with the people that have said that horses are not a luxury for them, they are a necessity.

Amish people would only be hurting themselves by mistreating their animals. Common sense would tell me that the majority of Amish people would NOT abuse part of their livelihood.

I am sure that there are some that snap and abuse animals just because there are always a few bad apples, but I dont think their way of life would have lasted as long as it has with all of them abusing their horses *shrug*
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post #23 of 97 Old 09-23-2010, 12:04 PM
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The (ex) amish drafts I'm around every day are nothing like this. They are unbelievably affectionate. They love people... ESPECIALLY children. The only negatives I've seen is lameness/ stiffness (but that's expected from ex working horses) and they aren't good for the farrier. They are more comfortable when put in stocks as opposed to free standing while getting work done. One of the drafts in my pasture has to be sedated to get farrier work.
Our yearly draft horse auction is full of Amish families that have traveled far with their horses. One family becomes the stars of the show. Their horses have plenty of spirit. The father puts on a show in the ring to demonstrate the connection and loyalty of his horses. You can tell the horses are having a blast with it.
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post #24 of 97 Old 09-23-2010, 12:06 PM
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Well, around here, from what I have seen at the sales, there are definitely good and bad. However, I do not think many of them take good basic care. JMHO. There is a tendency toward moonblindness in their horses around here, and their feet are bad, in at least 75% of the cases I have seen. This time of year they come to the sales with manes and tails matted with burrs and poo, and are pretty thin, despite the grass having been good all summer. But, we have more Mennonites than Amish, and I have heard that the care is different between the 2. As with anything, I am sure there is good and bad, just what I have seen.

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post #25 of 97 Old 09-23-2010, 12:14 PM
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Well, I have never even seen an Amish person, community, anything. But I hear from people they have good- broke horses. But I agree that it doesn't make sense to make something so weak or abuse it that you can't use it for work (which is what they use them for). No, their horses don't get pampered, but they do rely on them for daily tasks. Tasks that need to be done to make a living.

With that being said, most of the rescued horses in facilities come from homes with lack of basic care, feed, water, shelter and clean pen, and some people call it 'abuse' becuase the horse won't let you touch it's ears, but how about just skittish or flytiey from not being messed with much? Not just one 'race' does this, we all do. Especially now since the economy is so bad.

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post #26 of 97 Old 09-23-2010, 01:19 PM
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The first week I visited I was not aware that that is where he was staying full time. And he was not alone in the barn. There were several other horses, and at the time I was about twelve years old. Not a lot I could do about it. Like I said, I was NOT trying to generalize. That was my experience. And when I said a few are good, but the majority are not; obviously that was from my experience and experiences of people I know. Which means in my immediate area. If I thought the every single Amish horseman in the world was bad I would have said that.
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post #27 of 97 Old 09-23-2010, 01:32 PM
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I love the amish. In my area, we have some great amish horsemen. They take very good care of their horses and are excellent trainers. In my area, if you are looking to get a horse green broke in 30 would send them to the amish. They wouldn't be able to teach a horse advanced reining manuvers or dressage...but they don't use that in their daily life. But if you want a horse to have a good solid walk, trot, canter, back and move off leg pressure...the amish are the best. I would absolutly send my horse to the amish for training. I was seriously considering sending my QH off for cart training with a nice amish boy when I was forced to sell him. For $600 that buys you all the time it takes to get him buggy trained (up to 90 days!) feed and board for that time aaaand a harness! What a bargain!

It has been mentioned on here before because this is not the first controversial amish thread. Saying that the Amish are abusive because there are a few bad eggs is like saying all Catholic priests molest children. It is an unfair statement.
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post #28 of 97 Old 09-23-2010, 01:38 PM
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My grandparents prefer that their Standardbreds that are not fast enough for the track go to our local Amish or Mennonites. They treat their horses well around us, and they seem fit and happy. Yes, I am sure that some aren't treated as well, but I bet not everyone in the horse owner world treats their horses like they are pets. Every group of animal lovers is going to see someone who doesn't fit into their perception of how animals should be treated.

We have had a Amish guy previously and currently use a Mennonite guy to shoe our horses. Grandpa, Grandma and I like him better because he comes, shoes the horses, and is done with it. He doesn't take crap from the colts, but he doesn't beat them. A very stern hey now! normally gets their attention and they stand up. The farrier we used to get, we never trusted to leave alone because he would hit the horse with his tools. He was just a regular Joe.

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I've met some very happy, very spunky Amish horses and some very 'dead to the world' ones.

Just like us 'regular people' not every Amish person is a great trainer, and some may even treat there horses in an old-world kind of way. All depends. I personally like the Amish in my area, the horses all look quite happy and their always polite and friendly. Even when I come with my silly questions like "Excuse me sir, but do you know where I could possibly buy the stuff that goes under the buggy? The metal doohickeys?"
"The running gear?"
"Yeah that! "

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post #30 of 97 Old 09-23-2010, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by twogeldings View Post
I've met some very happy, very spunky Amish horses and some very 'dead to the world' ones.
Sounds statistically like any other random group of horses.....

Giggle, love the running gear thing.
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