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    12-01-2012, 01:35 AM
  #1
Yearling
Bad Habits

First off I am not a profetional horse trainer. I have contacted a horse trainer though, she has not gotten back to me yet.

Anyways, my coming two year old has some began with some bad habits that I would like to stop NOW!!! Before they become uncontrolable and dangerous, and something she will do while riding when she is broke...

Before I tell you what her bad habits are, I want to get something straight so you understand where I am coming from. She is my first horse and by no means going to get rid of her for any reason. Also, I know I might be doing something wrong, which is what I want you to tell me, or give me tips or pointers on how to approach each situation in a better way. Everytime she does something wrong, I will correct her, but I agree that I might be the reason she did that problem.

First off, her name is Breeze. Her first bad habit is rearing. Not all the time. She has reared 3 times in the past month, all for different reasons. The first 2 times were one after another but I understand that was my fault. I ran to the gate in her pen and she thought I was playing with her. The second time though, we were out on a walk, all of the sudden her eyes go back like she was scared and she went up. There was nothing that I know was there that could have spooked her though. There were no other times that she actually reared, but tried to, I stopped her. It was right before I was done with her, she knew I was going to leave and it was like she was testing me, I stopped her and got mad. All three times she reared, and the times she attempted to rear, I got mad at her and snapped the lead rope and halter a few times and also slapped her on the butt.

Secondly, another bad habit is biting. When I first got her in September 2012 she would try and bite me (but never actually did) and I could lightly punch her in the nose and tell her NO! I thought we got over that. But again, when I act like I am going to get up on her(never do just act like it), or *sometimes* when I pick up her feet, she will bite me in the legs. I did think this habbit was over and I do not know why it is back.

Lastly, she threatens to kick me. When I say threatens I mean she seems like she's telling me 'you better move and not make me mad, I will kick you'. This happens after I get mad at her for rearing of attempting to rear. I do not know why. She will turn her butt to me and pin her ears. She has never actually kicked me and never done this before.

It seems like the more I get mad at her, the more madd SHE gets and I want it to stop.


P.S. I try and go out there everyday. When I miss a day, and go the next, it seems like she is mad because I skipped a day.

Please help!
     
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    12-01-2012, 01:49 AM
  #2
Weanling
I'm also no professional, but it sounds to me like your horse knows that she can back you up & uses it to her advantage whenever possible.

As far as the rearing goes, I will let other more knowledgeable people advise you on that as it is so very dangerous & I've tried a million different techniques on a few different horses & it really comes down to why she's doing it. I really can't advise because, as I said, I'm no professional, I just do what I feel depending on the horse I'm with & have been called an idiot numerous times.

As far as the biting goes, my horse used to do that, I actually have multiple posts on here about it, because I was at my whits END with him. It hurt my feelings more than anything because he seemed to pick it up during a 19 day separation we had.

He would do it while I was cinching the girth & sometimes just when I was putting the saddle on him. I used an empty ketchup bottle to cure him of this. I am so totally NOT kidding. I'm not sure how to link to a thread or I would show you the ones I had posted.

Whenever he pinned his ears back aggressively, I would shoot air into his face. It flipped him completely out & it took only a few times for him to get the idea. It got to the point that I wouldn't have to even put it by him, but just the noise that came from the air puffing out of the bottle was enough. Soon enough, he was over playing the games & just quit.

Believe me, I tried EVERYTHING, I was reduced to tears wondering why my previously gentle giant hated me so much. Why did he want to bite me? Well, of course, after making sure it was NOT something physical & that he was in no pain, I realized he was just doing it... because he thought he COULD.

But, you gotta watch super carefully how her body is reacting to what you're doing because you have about a 3 second window of punishment before it just becomes a random, futile punishment.

Also, try backing her up. For aggressive behavior, this is ALWAYS the first thing I try. This for both the biting & the possible kicking. Again, barring that she is NOT in pain, of course. Back that booty up. I've backed my daughters horse around the barn, out the gate, down the drive way & back again. Now all I have to do is say 'BACK IT UP!' and he knows he's been a fool & acts right in a hurry.

I hope anything I've said has helped, even if just a little bit. I know that the biting thing, if you screw around with it too much, it can become a game to a horse & if you back up when she tenses... she knows she's winning.

I hope you get someone more knowledgeable to advise, especially as far as your rearing issue goes.

Good Luck!!!
     
    12-01-2012, 02:01 AM
  #3
Weanling
For whatever reason that horse has zero respect for you. Hard to advise you what exactly you should be doing differently on an Internet forum. It's good that you've contacted a trainer, as getting professional help is the best option. Even if the trainer you've contacted doesn't get back to you, keep trying to find one. And be prepared to shell out some dough for a good trainer. Since you're now the owner of this young horse, you're responsible for its education.

Two yr olds are like kids - constantly learning and testing boundaries. A lot to handle for your first horse. If you could work with a well-trained, quiet, older horse, that would help you figure out how they're supposed to behave and how you should behave.

Good luck.
     
    12-01-2012, 02:03 AM
  #4
Yearling
Thank you. She is usually so good. This is why I think it is partly me that is causing some of it to happen.

However, when she is not bad, she is the perfect horse (well to me anyways) I can get her to back up without force most of the time and she leads well most of the time. I am working on yeilding her forequarters when she is excited and speeds up. Some of the time she will start to trot. I will stop her and turn her around and walk away from where she wants to go. I might try the air in the face thing.

I do admit, I do get a little mad sometimes when she does something like that and get overly mad at her and my body language is not used properly. I need to really work on that. It only happens if she is constantly doing stuff she KNOWS she is not suppose to do.

I also, However do not let her get away with stuff like that.
     
    12-01-2012, 02:10 AM
  #5
Yearling
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Originally Posted by LisaG    
For whatever reason that horse has zero respect for you. Hard to advise you what exactly you should be doing differently on an Internet forum. It's good that you've contacted a trainer, as getting professional help is the best option. Even if the trainer you've contacted doesn't get back to you, keep trying to find one. And be prepared to shell out some dough for a good trainer. Since you're now the owner of this young horse, you're responsible for its education.

Two yr olds are like kids - constantly learning and testing boundaries. A lot to handle for your first horse. If you could work with a well-trained, quiet, older horse, that would help you figure out how they're supposed to behave and how you should behave.

Good luck.
Sorry, but she does have respect for me, a lot of respect. She does try to test me and see where her boundries are. I refuse to say she has no respect for me, no matter what anybody says, because I am the one that is working with her.

I have been around horses all my life, we just could not get one until now. I have worked and trained and rode lots of young horses. Just because this is MY first horse, doesn't mean I cannot handle a younger horse.

That trainer is someone I know very well and use to ride with her, but she is however, not a professonal. There is only one other horse trainer in the area (a profetional) but I can no where near afford her rates. The only thing I would be able to do is maybe make a deal for her to HELP me with her if I work for her. I have no time for that right now.

Thank you though, for your opinion.
     
    12-01-2012, 02:29 AM
  #6
Started
I'm going to call a kettle black on this one. I honestly think a first time owner would be better with a 30yr old been there done that horse. I'm in no way telling you to get rid of your filly. More suggesting that you familiarize yourself with a horse that responds as he/she should to the proper command. So you could learn from the horse and your filly from you. I only feel the need to tell you this is for your knowledge. My daughters first mount was a almost 2 pony. Cute lil thang. But..... Had only been haltered a few times. NO training at all. We made a deal, she ride that pony, she'd get to ride. She got kicked, bit, stomped on, bucked off, drug and honestly worked for it. The day that pony left :( two girls rode her. If it matters my lil girl is now 7. That was 2 yrs ago she got the pony. Pony left around April. This year. But while she broke out her pony, she handled and worked around 13 other horses. Went all summer doin ground work Some broke some not. Actually cleaned a studs pen. Him in it. I guess I see a lot of issues with your handling of a young horse and would hope an adult would be there to help you. I know grown men who won't bother breaking out because of the time and risks. Please be carefull and there has to be someone who can help you. P.s. That took me almost exactly an hour to type! I'd much rather spend an hour riding
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    12-01-2012, 02:35 AM
  #7
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Phly    
I'm going to call a kettle black on this one. I honestly think a first time owner would be better with a 30yr old been there done that horse. I'm in no way telling you to get rid of your filly. More suggesting that you familiarize yourself with a horse that responds as he/she should to the proper command. So you could learn from the horse and your filly from you. I only feel the need to tell you this is for your knowledge. My daughters first mount was a almost 2 pony. Cute lil thang. But..... Had only been haltered a few times. NO training at all. We made a deal, she ride that pony, she'd get to ride. She got kicked, bit, stomped on, bucked off, drug and honestly worked for it. The day that pony left :( two girls rode her. If it matters my lil girl is now 7. That was 2 yrs ago she got the pony. Pony left around April. This year. But while she broke out her pony, she handled and worked around 13 other horses. Went all summer doin ground work Some broke some not. Actually cleaned a studs pen. Him in it. I guess I see a lot of issues with your handling of a young horse and would hope an adult would be there to help you. I know grown men who won't bother breaking out because of the time and risks. Please be carefull and there has to be someone who can help you. P.s. That took me almost exactly an hour to type! I'd much rather spend an hour riding
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I may not have owned a horse before, but I have leased them, trained them and been around them all my life.

However, this is by no means answering my question.
     
    12-01-2012, 02:41 AM
  #8
Weanling
The horse doesn't have respect for you if she is rearing, biting, and trying to kick you.

Why won't you get rid of this horse? You are a new horse owner and it sounds like you are very novice. You say that you've been around horses for a long time but you are making some very novice choices in how you handle and behave around this horse.

It has a lot of holes in its training, I can tell you that now. That this is a coming two year old and it leads "most of the time" but forges ahead and basically does not listen to you. The horse is almost two. There is no reason why she shouldn't lead like a pro unless she came out of the wild less than a month ago.

Horses do not have the same thoughts as people. Most horses are not going to mind if they are not messed with every day or ridden every day, so don't keep making excuses for the horse.

Stop taking guff off this horse. Stick a chain over her nose and when she tries to bite you, or kick you, or rears up, make her think her stupid, insignificant world is ending and make sure she knows you are the one that is ending it. You are "getting mad" but you certainly aren't mad enough if this bad behavior is going on. This horse's behavior is not acceptable.

If you can't correct it, and can't get a trainer to correct it, then get rid of it and get something broke.
     
    12-01-2012, 02:53 AM
  #9
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by spurstop    
The horse doesn't have respect for you if she is rearing, biting, and trying to kick you.

Why won't you get rid of this horse? You are a new horse owner and it sounds like you are very novice. You say that you've been around horses for a long time but you are making some very novice choices in how you handle and behave around this horse.

It has a lot of holes in its training, I can tell you that now. That this is a coming two year old and it leads "most of the time" but forges ahead and basically does not listen to you. The horse is almost two. There is no reason why she shouldn't lead like a pro unless she came out of the wild less than a month ago.

Horses do not have the same thoughts as people. Most horses are not going to mind if they are not messed with every day or ridden every day, so don't keep making excuses for the horse.

Stop taking guff off this horse. Stick a chain over her nose and when she tries to bite you, or kick you, or rears up, make her think her stupid, insignificant world is ending and make sure she knows you are the one that is ending it. You are "getting mad" but you certainly aren't mad enough if this bad behavior is going on. This horse's behavior is not acceptable.

If you can't correct it, and can't get a trainer to correct it, then get rid of it and get something broke.

Like I said no way am I getting rid of her. She was wild as a yearling. By me saying leading most of the time is not getting excited over things. Sorry for posting this because this is not what I am wanting to hear. She is just starting her training now!!!!!! I am not making any excuses for the horse.

P.S. You must not have much experience with horses if YOU are telling ME to get rid of a horse. THAT IS NEVER THE ANSWER!!!

I do not want to hear what you have to say, because it hasn't helped me so far... Sorry, but its true. You haven't met her so you don't know her.
     
    12-01-2012, 02:58 AM
  #10
Weanling
How old are you? You aren't going to get very far if you just stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalalala!" any time someone says something you don't want to hear.

Hope you have good health insurance.
     

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