That sounds like a great plan, Loosie. I have been waving my elbow almost all the time to keep reminding her and she is staying back with that, but boy, you get tired of that pretty quick! I'll try the holding something like the spur and it might work better, i can also get a piece of the rod like, N M, that seems like it would work because it is relatively easy to carry around the farm. She is the most gentle horse i have on the place, so she is the one i let kids wash/brush/lead around and somewhere along the way, she picked up that she can walk into people. Thank you guys so much, they are all solid pieces of advice!