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        10-24-2013, 11:22 AM
      #11
    Foal
    Hi All,
    Thank you so much for the feedback and especially Cherie who has helped me to realize that I could not have done much more in the situation we were in. It did feel very close to a full rear!

    Now to give more history. The person that was training the horse did not start the horse, but was asked by the owners (from a ranch) if she would like to get her going further in dressage. The first trainers, who broke her, were the ones that should have worked her more on going out alone. My friend did a good job getting the mare on the aids, but that was all she was asked to do...so little did she know that this horse had an issue with going out alone.

    That said - No I can't send her back BUT I do have access to amazing trainers where I am.

    My coach is a Grand Prix rider from Germany who grew up on a breeding farm and started many youngsters. She is going to meet me at the barn tonight and we are going to work on this. She assisted me in hand the other night and we got her walking out off the property (in pitch black & fog!) with very little fussing....so it is a start.
    I also have the option of many old 'babysitter' horses in the area. We are a tight knit community outside of Vancouver BC and I have a zillion resources.

    What I needed to know was whether I could've done something differently in that moment.
    But I will back up and slow down and start with some basics.

    The one good thing I can say about her is she is never really a scary mare, no buck, no bolt, etc. So I don't worry about falling.

    M.
         
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        10-24-2013, 11:25 AM
      #12
    Foal
    Foxhunter -
    I have tried what you said, I spun her with a TON of inside leg at the girth, and one reined her nose in and sent her BACK in the direction she spun away from...no go. She just fought harder. She is an extremely agile girl! I can see why these horses are used in bull fighting!! ;)

    M.
         
        10-24-2013, 11:44 AM
      #13
    Foal
    I added some pics of us!
         
        10-24-2013, 12:38 PM
      #14
    Foal
    I suggested this video because he adequately describes a method that Mikhala could use with her horse, by visually showing her the "spin/disengage/make it hard" that would help the horse look for other options while she's in front of, or even facing, the barn. We've all suggested making the horse face away from the barn or making the barn undesirable in some way. This is very similar to what this man does with the stallion while at the gate of their arena(where he wants to stop and be, much like the barn with this op's horse.)

    Regardless, I read that spinning didn't help and I hope that the session with the trainer goes well! :)
         
        10-24-2013, 12:59 PM
      #15
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    I would not try to even ride this filly until some of the holes in her training have been filled in. Her spoiled behavior will escalate, and you will have a lot more serious problems to 'fix' than just being her bound. You sure do not want her to learn to rear or even fall over on you.

    When she has learned to stand tied by herself, my approach would be to do a lot of ground driving.
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        10-24-2013, 01:14 PM
      #16
    Foal
    I agree this needs to be addressed properly now.

    I want to give the feed a try first - the mare was perfectly behaved before this excess energy started to build. She didn't have any fight in her. Even if she thought about resisting, one tap with the whip sent her forward at a trot. She got put on an alfalfa mix and it was like I had a different horse. I know there are a lot of varied opinions on alfalfa, but I have talked to several Iberian nutritionists who have said to get her off it because they are efficient horses that don't need a 'hot' feed.
    SO,
    Before making any extreme decisions, I will see how she does back on a low energy grass feed and whether this changes it back to how it was.

    I rode the mare everywhere for a month - alone, with buddies, to the riding club, busy streets, taught her to handle gates, etc. etc.

    Only when we introduced the feed change did all this start.

    M.
         
        10-24-2013, 01:15 PM
      #17
    Foal
    When ever your Arabian wants it go to the barn do not give in. Whenever your Arabian calms down and does what you want then you let your Arabian go to the barn
         
        10-25-2013, 12:37 PM
      #18
    Foal
    Update!

    Last night my coach started with me at the barn. She held a lunge whip at the gate and basically just had to snap it toward her and she went. She didn't try again to turn around. I kept lots of leg, held a soft contact, and if necessary just touched her with the whip.

    She was awesome getting there.
    At the club, she had a panic and started spinning and rearing, so I took her in the round pen and just let her get the beans out - I did very little but stand in the center and use a few voice commands. But after that, I hopped on and had a wonderful lesson.

    She was responsive to all aids, she just trucked along like her old self and did everything I asked.

    My coach is certain it is fear based. It is quite dark here in early evening and there is heavy fog at the moment. She has never seen these things, so it's a lot to face her with. If we are strategic about it, and get her settled, she is a wonderful girl.

    :)
    M.
         

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