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    11-02-2009, 06:50 PM
  #31
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Originally Posted by paint gurl 23    
This reply just shows how little you know. Lol. OMG.
So your saying this girl that wants to sell the barn sour horse needs improving yet you still want to sit there and pick my ass about how I would handle the horse? You funny man!
Any horse that has bad teeth, sore back hips christ the list goes on WILL NOT PERFORM TO HIS BEST PERFORMANCE, K? But then there you will sit and spur the **** out of him because your so convinced in that old head of yours that you can "get er done" your way. How does riding someone elses horse that runs home going to fix the situation between her and the horse exactly? You can sit here and brag that you "fixed that darn horse" but what about the relationship between her and that horse. IT REMAINS THE SAME. You didnt fix anything but your ego.
You don't ride horses in pain but the first leg you swing over the horse will tell you if the horse has back issues.. Ever hear the words COLD BACK. I know the feel of this instantly as soon as I settle in a saddle. The first 30 seconds tells you a story.
Anyway you don't ride sore horses but you also don't use that as an excuse every time your horse does something he shouldn't.
The lady saw how I delt with the problem, the horse saw how I delt with the problem and he seemed to behave for her over the next 2 weeks until he as moved to his new home.
I gave he advice on how to handle it, showed her how to overcome, gave her confidence that she could do it too.
I spent alot of sunday mornings at a large horse rental place tuning up rentals too.
You have no clue of my relationship with animals and as far as busting your butt as you put is somewhere you are probably too young for me anyway. I don't look at kids or touch their butts.
     
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    11-02-2009, 07:01 PM
  #32
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Originally Posted by RedRoan    
Lol Riosdad... your a work of art.

Seriously there is a point a horse will not listen to you due to pain or fear. That's when people get hurt. And that's when a horse won't trust you and will only act out of fear for your own sake of wanting to ride.

I've seen dosens of people whos saddles don't fit and/or they are over loading the horse's brains with asking them to do so much. The horse starts to act up and the rider whips and spurs the horse to crap thinking that's how to get through it.... yes that will make the horse listen to you but honestly that is a pretty abusive way to get through a problem.

There are times you need to take a step back and look at what your horse is doing. Instead of spuring the horses sides or whipping it, you can get the horse's mind back on you by getting his mind on a single job. In the end you have a horse that wants to listen to you.... not a horse that is listening to you due to fear of what the hell just happened.
Redroan I know about saddle fitting. I tried starting a few posts on here about the subject but got no where so I gave up. I start with custom trees, trees fit specifically for my horse then the saddle is built around them. One is a working saddle and one is a spare. Right now on my deep freeze is parts for the spare saddle that just came in today.
Any new horse I get gets his own custom saddle made to his back so don't tell me about saddle fit.
You don't ride horses in pain, that I have already said but you don't throw that up either every time something doesn't work for you.
People are always getting off, complaining about a whole in the training and going back to the ground for the stupidust things.
Stay on the horse, ride it out and if you can't then get help and who knows where that will come from and learn to ride out your problems
Rearing, running , bucking or anything else would not make me get off a horse. He wouldn't do it under me anyway.
As for using the spurs all the time?? My legs are long, they hang well below the horse and unless I want them to touch the horse they will not. They are only for backup on my horse and sometimes as a primary training tool on others. My horse and riding problems are miles appart. This forum is all about problems, people are asking advice. I don't have problems only solutions.
I would love to know the age of some of these kids. It might explain alot. I get the feeling that I am wasting my time on alot of little kids who know nothing but what their instruct tellls them to think.
     
    11-02-2009, 07:26 PM
  #33
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Originally Posted by RiosDad    
Of coarse you don't ride a horse if he is in pain but any time a horse does something someone cry's PAIN.
Well, pain is the first thing you have to rule. If no pain - then training/behavioral issues.

Although once I worked with the gelding, which was mentally sick. I'm not kidding a moment, and it was very unfortunate as from what I was told he had great bloodlines. But he was completely unpredictable, and very dangerous. He just blow out for no reason at all putting everyone around in danger. He was hit really strong in head, so I assume something moved down there. He was not mine, so I just stopped riding him after he sent other rider in ER. Not sure what happened to him eventually...
     
    11-02-2009, 07:47 PM
  #34
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
Well, pain is the first thing you have to rule. If no pain - then training/behavioral issues.

Although once I worked with the gelding, which was mentally sick. I'm not kidding a moment, and it was very unfortunate as from what I was told he had great bloodlines. But he was completely unpredictable, and very dangerous. He just blow out for no reason at all putting everyone around in danger. He was hit really strong in head, so I assume something moved down there. He was not mine, so I just stopped riding him after he sent other rider in ER. Not sure what happened to him eventually...
We got a freeby from the track. A beautiful grey,no marks, no leg problems, just didn't want to race. Got him home, put a saddle on him and he dropped to the ground and started thrashing around.
Got him up, went in the arena and climbed aboard. He dropped pinning me under him. When he got up we gave him away.
I don't need a horse like that. Too many good ones out there to put up with crap.
     
    11-02-2009, 07:49 PM
  #35
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Originally Posted by RiosDad    
You don't ride horses in pain but the first leg you swing over the horse will tell you if the horse has back issues.. Ever hear the words COLD BACK. I know the feel of this instantly as soon as I settle in a saddle. The first 30 seconds tells you a story.
Anyway you don't ride sore horses but you also don't use that as an excuse every time your horse does something he shouldn't.
The lady saw how I delt with the problem, the horse saw how I delt with the problem and he seemed to behave for her over the next 2 weeks until he as moved to his new home.
I gave he advice on how to handle it, showed her how to overcome, gave her confidence that she could do it too.
I spent alot of sunday mornings at a large horse rental place tuning up rentals too.
You have no clue of my relationship with animals and as far as busting your butt as you put is somewhere you are probably too young for me anyway. I don't look at kids or touch their butts.
Im glad you could clarify your dislike of kids and there butts. Thank god for that! Cold back. A horse will show signs of back soreness far before you put the saddle on, never mind get on, and this is a treatable condition by the way. The first 30 seconds will tell a story alright, a story of pain and discomfort that some people like you choose to ignore and ride em out anyway. Cold back once again is caused by humans as well...wholy im so smart!
I don't care what you do on your sundays and as far as "fixin" that girls horse, I personally think that's a load of crap. There is no quick fix to barn sour horses. I don't care how good of a rider you are. It takes longer then 2 weeks to fix a case like that. I thought you said she was very knowledgable?? If she was that knowledgable, you wouldnt have to give her advice on "how to handle it, show her how to overcome, give her confidence that she could do it too." There we go with your ego talk again. Sounds like a pretty novice rider to me, which again she made the right choice to sell him to someone who can handle him. No I don't have any clue of your relationship with animals nor do I really care, I know from what you have wrote and suggested to people on here, both threads, that you are a really stuck in your way old cowboy who sees there horses as robots not riding partners. Don't forget the spurs!
     
    11-02-2009, 07:55 PM
  #36
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Originally Posted by RiosDad    
We got a freeby from the track. A beautiful grey,no marks, no leg problems, just didn't want to race. Got him home, put a saddle on him and he dropped to the ground and started thrashing around.
Got him up, went in the arena and climbed aboard. He dropped pinning me under him. When he got up we gave him away.
I don't need a horse like that. Too many good ones out there to put up with crap.

And you want to try and tell me that you have a relationship with animals? The horse guaranteed had a sore back, which you call crap, they don't just drop to the ground to get you off. Your just another one of those people that would rather pass them through hands then figure out the issue..good grief :roll:
     
    11-02-2009, 08:04 PM
  #37
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Originally Posted by paint gurl 23    
Im glad you could clarify your dislike of kids and there butts. Thank god for that! Cold back. A horse will show signs of back soreness far before you put the saddle on, never mind get on, and this is a treatable condition by the way. The first 30 seconds will tell a story alright, a story of pain and discomfort that some people like you choose to ignore and ride em out anyway. Cold back once again is caused by humans as well...wholy im so smart!
I don't care what you do on your sundays and as far as "fixin" that girls horse, I personally think that's a load of crap. There is no quick fix to barn sour horses. I don't care how good of a rider you are. It takes longer then 2 weeks to fix a case like that. I thought you said she was very knowledgable?? If she was that knowledgable, you wouldnt have to give her advice on "how to handle it, show her how to overcome, give her confidence that she could do it too." There we go with your ego talk again. Sounds like a pretty novice rider to me, which again she made the right choice to sell him to someone who can handle him. No I don't have any clue of your relationship with animals nor do I really care, I know from what you have wrote and suggested to people on here, both threads, that you are a really stuck in your way old cowboy who sees there horses as robots not riding partners. Don't forget the spurs!

She never sold the horse. She got married and moved him to her new home with her husband. She did eventing and just ran into a problem. For me he was fixed. He wasn't a problem for me to begin with.
People all the time are saying their horse won't side pass, won't back up,won't take leads. It is not the horse, it is the rider just not knowing how to do things. Time and time again I get on the horse and he will sidepass up one side of the gate and back down again. The people just don't know what they are doing. Backing is just forward in reverse and again some people think pulling on the bit is the way to go but actually I ask for forward but restrict his movement to flowingbackwards. Leads are just burying the wrong lead making the right lead the easy lead.
It is more about a persons ability then the horses.
I have Mary Twelveponies book in front of me and the title says it all

There are no problem horses, only problem riders
     
    11-02-2009, 08:08 PM
  #38
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Originally Posted by paint gurl 23    
and you want to try and tell me that you have a relationship with animals? The horse guaranteed had a sore back, which you call crap, they don't just drop to the ground to get you off. Your just another one of those people that would rather pass them through hands then figure out the issue..good grief :roll:
Go away, your mother is calling and it is time for bed. You must have homework or something
     
    11-02-2009, 08:20 PM
  #39
Weanling
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Originally Posted by RiosDad    
Go away, your mother is calling and it is time for bed. You must have homework or something
LOL. Aww you want me to stop pickin on you?? I doubt it. I told you once already I will not back down and this whole thread was directed at me so no, sorry old man, I will not go away

Oh and just for the record I did read that book.
     
    11-02-2009, 08:32 PM
  #40
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Originally Posted by RiosDad    
the racing back is the only thing I have issues with. To race back would be dangerous. Barn sour horses react mainly very close to the barn and to allow him to bolt for home at 30 plus mph could be a diaster. Ours for one would be a hard 90 turn followed by flying into the open barn door on concrete.
I agree with working the crap out of him if that is your way.
My way is less then 5 seconds and he is once again on his way. Less then 5 seconds.
Well, usually a barn sour animal is reacting within yards of the barn yard, so we're not talking them racing very far. Atleast those that I've dealt with; they start acting up before you even get out of sight of the barn, so you don't even get up to a canter Of course, when you've gotten back to the paddock and you've put his sorry a$$ to work, he's thinking twice about wanting to be there.

You asked how we deal with barn sour horses, and that's how I've cured more than one VERY barn sour horse; it works, because you make being at the paddock extremely uncomfortable, which is opposite of what they are expecting. See most people get off, frustrated, and scared of what the horse just did, but when you put their butts to work instead of getting off and 'rewarding' their efforts at getting out of work, they start thinking twice about wanting to get back to the barn so quickly. You don't necessarily "have" to wait until you get back to barn to put him to work, but I find that this works the best, because that is where he 'wants' to be, so you 'spoil' it for him, by working him there.
     

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