Lol Riosdad... your a work of art.
Seriously there is a point a horse will not listen to you due to pain or fear. That's when people get hurt. And that's when a horse won't trust you and will only act out of fear for your own sake of wanting to ride.
I've seen dosens of people whos saddles don't fit and/or they are over loading the horse's brains with asking them to do so much. The horse starts to act up and the rider whips and spurs the horse to crap thinking that's how to get through it.... yes that will make the horse listen to you but honestly that is a pretty abusive way to get through a problem.
There are times you need to take a step back and look at what your horse is doing. Instead of spuring the horses sides or whipping it, you can get the horse's mind back on you by getting his mind on a single job. In the end you have a horse that wants to listen to you.... not a horse that is listening to you due to fear of what the hell just happened.
Redroan I know about saddle fitting. I tried starting a few posts on here about the subject but got no where so I gave up. I start with custom trees, trees fit specifically for my horse then the saddle is built around them. One is a working saddle and one is a spare. Right now on my deep freeze is parts for the spare saddle that just came in today.
Any new horse I get gets his own custom saddle made to his back so don't tell me about saddle fit.
You don't ride horses in pain, that I have already said but you don't throw that up either every time something doesn't work for you.
People are always getting off, complaining about a whole in the training and going back to the ground for the stupidust things.
Stay on the horse, ride it out and if you can't then get help and who knows where that will come from and learn to ride out your problems
Rearing, running , bucking or anything else would not make me get off a horse. He wouldn't do it under me anyway.
As for using the spurs all the time?? My legs are long, they hang well below the horse and unless I want them to touch the horse they will not. They are only for backup on my horse and sometimes as a primary training tool on others. My horse and riding problems are miles appart. This forum is all about problems, people are asking advice. I don't have problems only solutions.
I would love to know the age of some of these kids. It might explain alot. I get the feeling that I am wasting my time on alot of little kids who know nothing but what their instruct tellls them to think.