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    11-04-2009, 10:05 AM
  #61
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I have used the egg, the water balloon, rubber hose, etc methods. It does work. With some horses, it works permanently, with my particular horse, it worked for that particular ride. With him, "tomorrow is another day"...

Rearing, in my opinion is the most dangerous thing a horse can do. These methods to me are not cruel, cruel is locking a horse in a stall for 3 days without feed or water. Cracking an egg over a rearing horses head is harsh, but maybe a neccessary evil in my opinion. People say they have horses that rear. And I do know there is such a thing as an occasional rearer, but when you have a horse that is a chronic rearer, you have a very dangerous animal. Ruling out pain, saddle fit, and fear leaves a stubborn ornery horse. I know, I have one. And I love him dearly. But rearing is dangerous. Just my opinion.
     
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    11-04-2009, 10:27 AM
  #62
Trained
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Originally Posted by paint gurl 23    
Did you know horses can go blind by a blow to the head? It can put them completely out of alignment. I would bet he was unpredictable and dangerous, BECAUSE HE COULDNT SEE!! I worked with a very well bred, stunning, futurity gelding that no one could get anywhere with. He was cowboyed, and by cowboyed I mean he was rode into walls by this idiot who thought by running him into the walls he would stop alot quicker? He was 16.3 HH, maybe he was intimidated? Who knows. The guy got tired of eating dirt so he quit. This horse took it until he lost his vision and no one could do anything with him after that. Everyone was scared of him. He was very spooky, head always up high, very alert....he was a very quiet people horse before this happened and ready to compete. I was told this but also new this when I met the horse. He really messed up this horse to the point of sending people to the ER. I have never come across a horse so kind and willing knowing what had happened to him. I rode him after about a month of groundwork and therapy to get his vision back. From being run into the walls, it turned his wither and back into an "s" shape as well as knocking vertabrae out in his neck including his poll/atlas and all the way down. He will need regular therapy the rest of his life for the scar tissue this guy caused and he's only 6. He needed a few sessions of therapy to put him back together but it was worth it. No horse wants to be afraid yet they become explosive and dangerous because that's there only way of defense once it hits a certain point of pain. He lost his peripheral vision due to being run into the walls which came back with therapy and he never attempted to hurt anyone after that, he calmed right down to his normal quiet self. Anything that wasnt in front of him on the ground scared the crap out of him because he couldnt see. How that makes a horse mentally sick I am not sure but it sounds like he was easy to pass off as being ill in some way. People need to really think about what could be the underlying cause of some behaviors before they send them down the road. This horse was absolutely amazing to ride and have around after I got him the help he needed. His career was done as far as everyone was concerned until I stepped in and offered. Not to brag at all or sound like I know everything, just want to make a point in saying that not every horse is sick in the head.
Why don't you quit attacking people. This is a discussion board not a berating board. I know that when you are young you think that you know everything and can do everything but you will have much more success with people and horses if you treat them with respect and dignity. If you communicate with horses like you communicate with people on this forum then you are not the horseman that you think you are.

From a post 3 sentences long you diagnosed a horse you have never seen as being blind. That is ridiculous.
     
    11-04-2009, 10:57 AM
  #63
Trained
First I will say that I have not read through all the posts. Just do not have the time.

Anyway. It always makes me wonder how these problems even get started then I watch how people work their horses. It comes down to a very simple process. DO NOT RIDE YOUR HORSE BACK TO THE BARN or OUT OF THE ARENA.

It never falls. I see people who do the exact same thing every ride. They go out and ride either in the area or on the trails or what ever then they ride out of the arena and back to the barn or come off the trails and ride back to the barn. Then they get off un tack their horse and say we're done. No wonder the horse wants to go back to the barn.

First. I NEVER ride out of the arena not even at a show. Second I NEVER stop riding in the same place in the arena. When I get off the horse I loosen the Cinch right there. Not all the way off or hanging but loose. I then walk them out and back to their stall or barn or where ever. Same thing goes if I am trail riding or what ever. I never get off at the same place and I always loosen the cinch. If they have leg gear it comes off at that point too and I hang it from the stirrups. The horse never learns where the end is. It is always different. Keeps them from thinking. Same goes when I am riding and training. Never do the same thing in the same order.

No matter what you do out on the trail if you ride the horse back to the same place every time nothing will really change.
     
    11-04-2009, 11:43 AM
  #64
Foal
I'll get off in different spots or at the barn, let my guy stand tied for a few minutes go get a drink or just mess around for a few minutes or go in the house and start supper, then I'll get back on him and ride again. He never knows when the ride is over untill his saddle comes off and he's been given his treat. I might get off of him 2 or 3 times during a riding lesson, but never when he's cutting up, I don't want him to think that him cutting up is going to get me off his back. Just because we come back to where I tack up doesn't mean that the riding is over either.
     
    11-04-2009, 11:48 AM
  #65
Banned
I don't worry about where I get off, how I ride home. I have never had a personal horse show the least barn sour or even rush home.
It is in how the horse is handled, his respect for you and what he thinks he can get away with.
Just like people he will take advantage of you if he feels he can get away with it.
     
    11-04-2009, 11:52 AM
  #66
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by RiosDad    
I don't worry about where I get off, how I ride home. I have never had a personal horse show the least barn sour or even rush home.
It is in how the horse is handled, his respect for you and what he thinks he can get away with.
Just like people he will take advantage of you if he feels he can get away with it.
I ride away from the barn (in the faster gaits) but I only walk TO the barn. I have 6 horses and I handle them all the same. 2 of those six horses get really ancy on the way home and really want to pick up the pace. I will side pass them before I will trot them to the barn. One of them does leave the barn fine, even alone. The other fights the whole way out. Sometimes I think it is the horse. But I also think it can be managed.
     
    11-04-2009, 01:16 PM
  #67
Weanling
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
Why don't you quit attacking people. This is a discussion board not a berating board. I know that when you are young you think that you know everything and can do everything but you will have much more success with people and horses if you treat them with respect and dignity. If you communicate with horses like you communicate with people on this forum then you are not the horseman that you think you are.

From a post 3 sentences long you diagnosed a horse you have never seen as being blind. That is ridiculous.
You know nothing about me or what I can do but nice try grasping at straws! Lol...
     
    11-04-2009, 01:29 PM
  #68
Trained
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Originally Posted by paint gurl 23    
You know nothing about me or what I can do but nice try grasping at straws! Lol...
Thank you for making my point for me.
     
    11-04-2009, 01:54 PM
  #69
Showing
This thread is closed. There is too much bickering going on for it to continue.
     

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