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    05-29-2011, 08:16 PM
  #1
Weanling
Beginner Lungeing Question

Hello!

I have a trail horse that clearly has never lunged in his life.

The first few times we tried free-lunging, he actually did pretty well and I was able to get him to trot circles around me very nicely.

Since those first lessons, he's become more attentive to me: responds better to being led, comes when called, picks his feet up before I even ask - wonderful!

But now, when I try to lunge him - he just keeps his face firmly toward me. He's not crowding me. In fact, by walking forward and telling him "Back! Back! Back!" I was able to get him to back up in small circles in both directions. And while this is great - it is not lungeing.

So, how do I get this very smart horse to learn to STOP facing me and start going around?
     
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    05-29-2011, 11:02 PM
  #2
Weanling
I had this problem with my gelding. The one thing that helped me, was being aware of where I was putting the pressure. I was told to apply pressure to the middle... That only made him face me. So I started applying pressure behind him and that worked great. We have slowly moved up so that I apply pressure to his hip and he moves forward, but it was a long time. By pressure I mean aiming my actions, whether a lead rope, whip or arm. I couldn't even LOOK at his shoulder or he would stop! So pay attention to your body language and see if that helps.
     
    05-30-2011, 03:14 PM
  #3
Foal
If he's facing you thou it may be hard to focus on anywhere other than directly in front of him:S is there someone that could help you lead him round? Or maybe I you someone couild ride him on the lunge until he gets the idea?

Momo3boys - what colour is your horse? She looks like she has some red in her main just being nosey lol
     
    05-30-2011, 05:30 PM
  #4
Weanling
Thanks!

I will try and focus more on my body language and see if that helps. Maybe I am putting too much pressure on the front (although it IS hard to apply pressure to the back when he is facing you square! LOL!)..

Otherwise, I may have to get someone to help...

Thanks for the replies!
     
    05-30-2011, 05:40 PM
  #5
Green Broke
I don't know if this will work or not. This what I do in the round pen. I face my horse at a 45 degree angle with the whip in one hand, aiming at her back end, and my opposite hand straight out in the direction I want her to go. I give the whip a little toss on the ground to drive my mare forward while simultaneously stepping back a step with my opposite foot.
     
    05-31-2011, 11:18 AM
  #6
Yearling
Im not sure if this helps at all, but my mare was never taught how to lunge, but before being started, she was ground driven a bit and long lined. She learned how to be driven away from behind and when I went to lunge her, she just did it. At first, I simply waved the whip slowly behind her and she walked forward. And now I put her on the line, hold out the hand with the rope in the direction I want her to go and click and she starts walking. She's gotten very good at lunging, in fact!

What I'm saying is maybe teach him to be driven towards things. "send" him away towards certain objects or directions instead of leading. Like the way trainers 'send' horses into the trailer, or in a chute, etc. Does that make sense? If any one can explain better, please feel free.
     
    05-31-2011, 12:09 PM
  #7
Weanling
Shelly, I think he's a smokey black but I won't know for sure unless I test his genes.

Daisy, try little circles at first, where you can actually put literal pressure with you hands on the butt if you have to. When he finally (it may take a while) goes a full circle around you, praise him BIG time! Try it again and again until it "clicks". Then let out more rope. This may take more than one day, or even week depending on the horse.
     
    05-31-2011, 02:38 PM
  #8
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by LoveTheSaddlebreds    
Im not sure if this helps at all, but my mare was never taught how to lunge, but before being started, she was ground driven a bit and long lined. She learned how to be driven away from behind and when I went to lunge her, she just did it. At first, I simply waved the whip slowly behind her and she walked forward. And now I put her on the line, hold out the hand with the rope in the direction I want her to go and click and she starts walking. She's gotten very good at lunging, in fact!

What I'm saying is maybe teach him to be driven towards things. "send" him away towards certain objects or directions instead of leading. Like the way trainers 'send' horses into the trailer, or in a chute, etc. Does that make sense? If any one can explain better, please feel free.

It is very good training to teach your horse to be lead from behind, (basically driven or sent). This will be valuable on the trail, for example if you must dismount and send your horse over an obsitcle that you cannot ride him over and is unsafe for you to go over first and pull him over behind you.

When sending a horse, you need to be able to have access to his driveline, the place on his body where pressure applied means go forward. Pressure applied in front of this line will mean go backward or sideways, behind this line, means go forward. This "line" is usually about where the girth would lie.

If the horse tries to face you all the time, you cannot access his driveline., going around behind him to put pressure on his hindend will more than likely only result in him continueind to move his hindquarter AWAY from the pressure and turn his head to face you. You won't be able to get forward movement.

What you need to do is move his fron end AWAY from you , laterally, so that you can be perpendicular to his driveline. If he is facing you and you want him to go to your left (for example), you point your toes slightky leftward, look at his closest nostril (his left in this instance) and walk toward him putting pressure on his face. You come at him from a slight angle , toward his neck, but really mentall focus on that nostril. Put your hands up int the air, aimed at the nostril, and "tap" the air as if you were tapping along his jaw. The projected energy will move him, and if that is not enough you can swing your leadrope in a propeller toward his neck, but mentally focus on moving that inside nostril OUT , away from you so that his girth area will come available to you.

When he steps sideways, you then can put pressure on his driveline, hold your left hand low put pointing inthe direction you want him to go and drive him forward. Your indicating hand must always be lower than your driving hand, and you can even tip your upper body toward the direction you want him to travel. Also, keep your toes pointed in the direction you want him to move.

Once he moves forward, you also move forward on a circle. But your circle is quite small. Almost pivoting on the inside foot while your outside foot walks around. Only put on pressure to move him forward if his energy dies out. If you stop moving, I bet yoiu anything he will stop and turn to face you. Then you will have to go through the whole thing again to move him off of you before be;ing able to drive him forward.

Eventually just having the pointing hand out and low and the driving hand (with whip maybe) in the area behind him and higher, will be enough to make him step outward, then forwrard and walk on.
     
    06-02-2011, 09:22 PM
  #9
Foal
I had the same problem with my pony for a while, but once I learned that I was not putting the pressure in the correct spot I was able to fix it. This may or may not be the problem, but you could try it.
     
    06-04-2011, 03:54 PM
  #10
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinyliny    
What you need to do is move his fron end AWAY from you , laterally, so that you can be perpendicular to his driveline. If he is facing you and you want him to go to your left (for example), you point your toes slightky leftward, look at his closest nostril (his left in this instance) and walk toward him putting pressure on his face. You come at him from a slight angle , toward his neck, but really mentall focus on that nostril. Put your hands up int the air, aimed at the nostril, and "tap" the air as if you were tapping along his jaw. The projected energy will move him, and if that is not enough you can swing your leadrope in a propeller toward his neck, but mentally focus on moving that inside nostril OUT , away from you so that his girth area will come available to you.

When he steps sideways, you then can put pressure on his driveline, hold your left hand low put pointing inthe direction you want him to go and drive him forward. Your indicating hand must always be lower than your driving hand, and you can even tip your upper body toward the direction you want him to travel. Also, keep your toes pointed in the direction you want him to move.
Tried this method today...

And I WAS able to get him to move forward a bit.

Then I (most likely) changed my body language as I tried to turn to have him go around me...and he would move his hindquarters away again.

Went back to the beginning - got a few steps forward...

And then he would move his hindquarters again and step back. It's like he is waiting for me to walk ahead of him....and when I don't, he tries to get behind me.

So...

Next time I will have someone help me. I need him to learn that it's OK to go ahead of me.

(Then again, I don't want to "overdo" this lesson. It's GOOD that he wants to follow instead of just chraging ahead. )
     

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