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    06-09-2011, 02:26 AM
  #11
Showing
I wasn't too concerned about them twitching or tying a leg up on him, to be honest (kind of expected them to have to do something). The only thing I specifically requested that they NOT do was ear him down. I have come to the conclusion that he's been eared down in the past and it has made him EXTREMELY sensitive about his left ear. I prefer my horses to be fine with you touching their ears (worked with my old gelding for over a month just to get him to where I could touch his ears...by the time I lost him [long story], you could pull his ears and play with them and he didn't care). However, in order for them to have twitched or tied a leg up on him, they would have had to have been able to get even remotely close to him...however, they couldn't get within 10 feet of him without him rearing and plunging around.
     
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    06-09-2011, 02:31 AM
  #12
Showing
Ooooh. Maybe some time spent exposing him to other people as well would do him some good. The only bad thing about the farrier bringing a sedative is that they normally have zero effect on a horse that is already jacked up and they would have to be able to get close enough to stick him.

I'm sure that he'll turn around with enough time and exposure. Keep that chin up .
     
    06-09-2011, 02:42 AM
  #13
Showing
I think it's a curse. I end up with the "velco" animals that are complete turds for other people, but are insanely obedient/loving/cooperative for me. My older dog is like that (my aussie/st bernard...the cairn loves everyone and everything). My old gelding was like that (only thing he liked better than me was kids). And now Aires is like that. Lol

It'll be interesting to see what Cam says he wants to do. Aires definitely has to have his feet done before he starts training. I'm not opposed to a sedative (I can administer it, if need be), but I'd rather not have to. My old gelding's owners became reliant on having him sedated when the farrier worked on him and never even gave him a chance to see if he could handle the farrier without being sedated. So, the first time he was seen by the farrier when he was with us (had to have corrective shoes put on 'cuz the other owners' farrier had completely messed up his feet), he didn't know what to do or how to react. Luckily his reaction was to stand stock still and have this look like "Maybe if I don't move it'll go away!"
     
    06-09-2011, 03:13 AM
  #14
Showing
Oh! And wanted to add that my friend witnessed a funny behavior today. She was doing my stall (didn't ask her to, she's just that awesome!) and had raked all the poop into a pile. She went to grab the apple picker and when she turned around, Aires walked over to the pile, pooped ON THE PILE, and then walked away like all was normal. My friend said she couldn't stop laughing. Just thought it was kind of funny. For as big as he is, his stall takes all of two minutes to clean because he poops in two spots only. :P
     
    06-10-2011, 10:26 AM
  #15
Foal
I wonder if its a percheron thing mine did the same thing even in the pasture.
     
    06-10-2011, 10:34 AM
  #16
Showing
That is a stallion behavior - making the poop pile "his."
He is very cute, but his little boys need to go ... He's finding this testosterone thing too hot to handle well.
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    06-10-2011, 11:11 AM
  #17
Green Broke
If you use a rope to tie up his leg make sure its a cotton rope not nylon or nylon blend.
     
    06-11-2011, 12:40 PM
  #18
Showing
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Originally Posted by JustDressageIt    
That is a stallion behavior - making the poop pile "his."
He is very cute, but his little boys need to go ... He's finding this testosterone thing too hot to handle well.
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They're going, I just don't know when. The owner of the stable is having it done (has a voucher for a free gelding from a local vet), but hasn't told me when. As stated in my contract, he has three months from the day I signed the papers on Aires to get him gelded.

Good news, though! Thursday I took him out and did our usual routine of grooming and all that. We went on the mini trail course again and we approached the bridge from every conceivable angle. He acted like he was bored with it all the whole time. He did have a mini spook once, but that was because there were three other people in the arena (two riding and one leading his gelding around) and one of the people riding came trotting up behind us, but Aires didn't hear them and it startled him (wind was blowing toward us). The real good news, though, is that after we did the trail course, we went and worked on picking up his feet. My friend held his head (he ties kinda, but not great yet) and put a treat in her closed fist to distract him. I went around all of them first, picking them up and holding them for a few seconds. He still hates having his back feet touched. After I went around the first time, I grabbed the hoof pick and tried again. He actually let me clean his front hooves!! He had this bored-with-it-all expression on his face the entire time...until I tried to do his back feet. He will actually try to kick me when I do his left. When I do his right, he'll just try to remove it from my hand (but I'll still hold it and follow him). So, letting me clean his front feet is a big step forward again!
     
    06-11-2011, 01:22 PM
  #19
Foal
Your boy is stunning! I really love him. But I'm a sucker for anything Percheron.

I really think you are going to see a huge difference after he is gelded. Our two-year-old was gelded six months ago and improved in his overall attitude as soon as it was done. He stopped biting, and became much better with his feet, though he is still a very impatient young man and I have been kicked by him while trimming. >.<

If he does kick at you, you need to make it perfectly clear that this is totally unacceptable. You know what level of discipline he can handle. And being as safe as you can, you -must- pick up the offending hoof and get him to relax, even for a few seconds, before calling the session quits. He mustn't pick up the idea that he can get away with this. While he sounds like a big boy, he's going to be an even BIGGER boy very soon, and the bigger they are the harder they are on you when giving you trouble with feet.

When you are lifting his feet, simply expect a few seconds of calm and then give the foot back and praise him. Gradually build up the amount of time you expect from him, but do your best to avoid a negative reaction. This has worked well with my own Percheron cross 9-month-old, and I can now trim him in the pasture! The first few sessions of hoof-lifting with him he tried to lay down in the barn aisle, so he's progressed a long way with a bit of reassurance and the odd "fight" over holding it up.

It's tricky if he is reacting to the simple presence of your farrier. Does he have a problem with men in general? It might be nice if the farrier can "socialize" with him for a little while before going to work, perhaps a treat or two or a scratch in his favourite place.

It sounds like you're doing a great job with him, so keep it up! I hope you can work through these hoof issues without too much drama.
     
    06-11-2011, 01:30 PM
  #20
Showing
Yes, he has a distinct problem with men in general! He hasn't been turned out in over FOUR MONTHS because it's a man that does the turnouts and he can't even get near Aires to halter him. I was able to go into his stall, halter him within two minutes (he was a little wary of the halter at first, but I went slow and other than a little head tossing, he let me put it on and buckle it), and have him walking on a loose lead THE FIRST DAY!

I do make it VERY clear that any sort of "rude" behavior (pawing, biting, kicking, etc) is completely unacceptable. When he tried to kick at me Thursday when I did his hooves, he got a sound slap on the rump/flank for it and then I picked his foot right back up. He wasn't happy about it, but all he did was huff a sigh and try to pull his foot out of my grasp (rather than lashing out completely). I'm having to be creative with my "punishments" when he acts out. I'm used to a hot-headed arab cross gelding who slapping didn't phase one bit, but if you shanked him even once, he'd settle down. I tried shanking Aires once when I first got him and he just looked at me like "Riiiiight."
     

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