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        02-07-2007, 06:17 PM
    Behavior Problem? PLEASE READ.

    I must admit, I'll be standing on my soap box for this one.

    Too often I see owners and riders enter a forum looking for a quick solution for a serious behavioral problem. 99 percent of the time serious behavioral problems are caused by pain. There is no way around it. I completely understand searching for advise and new opinions - if I didn't I wouldn't enjoy a forum! BUT, please know that assuming and saying "I think" my horse isn't in pain is not good enough. If it cost having a vet perform a full exam - pay it. Have a professional assess the situation and know FOR SURE there is no pain. It is each owner's responsibility to ensure their own safety and health and secondly, the safety and health of their horse. After knowing fully there is no reason for pain, by all means, continue to correcting the horse's behavior by training. Fully examining your situation and eliminating the possibility of pain will lead to a successfully trained horse. A horse in pain will not perform to his/her best ability, and most importantly, the horse will not enjoy their job. Be a good owner, find the cause rather then a quick fix.
    A good horse owner is someone that CAN stop and look at the finer details and if there is pain, they will eventually discover it.

    Also, this is in no way, an attack on ANYONE! I'm just concerned for the horse and the owner's well being.
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        02-07-2007, 06:41 PM
    You are so right kristy. Thanks for posting this.

    I just wish i'd had that done in the beginning instead of so late in my problem. (my trainer SHOULD have caught it)

    I would be farther down the road with tj.

    (pun intended)
        02-08-2007, 09:08 AM
    You'll be down the road soon. All that matters is that you caught it!
        02-08-2007, 09:27 AM
    You're absolutely right! When I tried a new saddle on Ella one day, it didn't fit her properly and she was terrible to ride for just 5 minutes....I realized that it must be the fit, got off her, removed the saddle, jumped on bareback, and she was perfect again.
    Making sure your horse is comfortable is a HUGE responsiblity to take very seriously!
        02-08-2007, 09:42 AM
    Originally Posted by BeautifulBay
    ]Making sure your horse is comfortable is a HUGE responsiblity to take very seriously!
    Perfectly said!
        02-27-2007, 05:47 AM
    That SO right!!! Thankyou for posting that topic its a good read abd very correct!!
        03-04-2007, 06:42 AM
    Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree with you to some extent. While I do agree, that pain should be the FIRST thing you check when you have behavior problems, especially under saddle, it is NOT (IMO) the reason 99% of the time. As a breeder and a trainer, I have found that lack of respect for the owner is more often than not the reason for a behavior problem. Most of Americas horses are overfed, spoiled, pampered pets that humans equate with anthropomorphism. (giving an animal "feelings" like humans). Ie I can't catch him because he "doesn't like me".

    After pain has been checked and dismissed, the usual answer to behavior problems is to go back to "the beginning" which starts on the ground.
        03-06-2007, 05:02 PM
    Behavior problem PLEASE READ

    I'm with Texas horse mom--we as humans tend to want to equate emotions and feelings with how our horses behave instead of thinking like a horse. Many times it is pain or discomfort causing a horse's behavior, but often it is the horse's lack of respect for his/her owner. I have just discovered Clinton Anderson, and have learned a lot from his training videos. Gaining Respect and Control on the Ground, series one, two, and three is a must for every horse owner in my opinion. Groundwork is the key before riding. Also, spend lots of time with your horse, not just riding and working with him/her, but brushing, being with him/her while eating, etc. Of course, however, ALWAYS check for pain and discomfort first. Sometimes it is something not so easily discernable. I had a horse who had internal lipomas which turned out to be the cause of his behaviorial issues. Fortunately I'd had him for 16 years and just KNEW his behavior had a cause were were not seeing.
        03-06-2007, 06:59 PM
    I agree with the fact that a lot of horse owners don't know how to maintain a well working relationship with a horse due to Romanism and the thought that a horse's thought process is completely different then what it actually is. I also believe that those that do not know how to maintain the relationship generally do not know how to accurately check for soundness issues.
    However, I could never bring myself to continue with behavioral training before accessing their soundness and telling someone to do the same. It is unreasonable in my mind to continue with training before knowing pain sources have been eliminated. This is also a sure fire way to cause other or even more several behavioral problems associated with the persistent and on going pain. In my and my horse's relationship, my safety and health comes first, the horse's second. Following is the actual ability to have a ridable horse.
    I still believe that pain is almost always the deciding factor due to a horse's natural instinct to follow and comply. But this does of course assume the owner has some knowledge of what they are doing and the basic respect has been established.
        03-06-2007, 10:22 PM
    Kristy, I agree with you that pain should ALWAYS be checked FIRST before any further training. Pain can, and does cause all sorts of behavioral problems. The health and welfare of my horses comes formost.

    What I disagreed with is that the problem is 99% of the time caused by pain. My feeling is that most often IMO behavioral problems are caused by DISRESPECT towards the owner. But this can not be determined until pain is ruled out.

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