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post #11 of 18 Old 04-17-2010, 06:54 PM
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It appears as thought she's built downhill, so she's going to be heavy on the forehand. Her canter looked like a typical, downhill canter. Nothing strange. It looks like she needs to learn how to collect and bring her butt under her and use it; she's simply running on her forehead at the moment.

I've never seen a horse bend on its own while lungng in the roundpen unless it had extensive dressage training, but perhaps she just needs a tune-up lesson on how to bend under saddle (assuming it's nothing the vet or chiro can fix.)

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post #12 of 18 Old 04-18-2010, 10:07 AM
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post #13 of 18 Old 04-18-2010, 10:39 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you fourtwentyam and Seahorseys. I think I am going to start working on half halts with her this week which is where the idiot who tried to get her to collect with draw reins should have begun...poor horsey. When I was riding yesterday after reading some of these posts, I started paying attention to where her center of gravity seemed to be, where her balance was and yes it is indeed fact it seems like it is more on the fore than is natural for her...which I am a guessing is the result of someone who doesn't know what they are doing, throwing a "draw reins" on her and cinching her up as tight as he can to make her collect into that western pleasure lope he wanted. Funny because if he hadn't given up and actually put her in the show ring like that, I really doubt he would have place because the judges would have seen it in an instant, unlike me.

After the week of half halts I will try to get more video so we can see if it is helping...and maybe I can actually get someone to hold the camera this time besides the arena post ha ha
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post #14 of 18 Old 04-18-2010, 01:39 PM
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I mean, it doesn't look *that* bad, just a little confused.

I would stop cantering an go back to the walk. If you are looking for bending practice, throw her in a snaffle and work on direct reining and bending around your leg at the walk. When she gets really good at bending around your leg, and driving off of your legs and seat, then move to the trot. Don't let her break into lope all the time, bring her back to the trot or walk or whichever it was you asked for. You won't get anywhere just loping around in circles if the horse doesn't get it at the walk and the trot.

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post #15 of 18 Old 04-18-2010, 01:47 PM Thread Starter
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SeWHC thank you so much. Yes my plan was to go all the way back to the walk, do my half halts and bending and slowly work back up. She is currently working in a loose ring snaffle which is what her owner prefers all of her leased horses be ridden in, I guess it's so that the more novice and beginner lessees don't mess up the mouths too bad. I can also use a hackamore but I am sure that will actually make the issues worse at the moment I am also going to forget about the neck reining for now and wait until she is more balanced as I think it may go easier once the abc's are all done with.
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It looks to me like a training issue. From the appearance, someone worked on her lope to get her head down and get it slow instead of getting it balanced. It looks to me like she got some poor training in either western or english pleasure.

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Someone really messed with her head thats for sure. In the round pen she was happy in the trot and then seemed really confused when you had her loping.

I had a horse that couldnt collect and just string out and her legs were everywhere but under her. I did lots of pole work in the walk and trot and lots of turns and tons of backing. Making her turn on her hips. She was neck reined i had to take her back to direct rein. Lots of circles, walking, and trottig should help her. And let her know that your not going to punish her if she isnt perfect.

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post #18 of 18 Old 04-28-2010, 09:38 AM Thread Starter
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Well, we've been working at half halts...I don't think anyone EVER worked on them with her because it took about a week for her to figure out what I wanted. We half halt at the walk, jog and trot and she is starting to relax and has stopped spontaneously trying to lope. I think she has finally figured out that I am not going to make her lope for hours on end like that guy did. I added serpentines this week at a posting trot.

Worked a bit on her bending too with a LOT of circles. She seems a lot more in balance. I might wait another week and then re-introduce the lope and see what we have. I'm also thinking of just putting a sidepull or mild hackamore on her too when I bring the lope back in. She still seems to have a lot of bit anxiety even though I have been dropping the reins and using leg and seat pressures only. She's currently in a D-Ring snaffle. I have a lot going on with prepping Cinny to move him in this weekend but I will try to get some new vid of Katie so you can critique the progress.
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