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        09-13-2009, 01:57 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by 1dog3cats17rodents    
    I know that feeling, getting Ben to Bend to the right is like bending a 1500lb brick wall. I let him warm up normall first, then halt and ask for a few bands, and then with his head bent I ask him to move his hind quarters off my right leg. I then ask him to bend at the walk with alot of leg (and spur if needed) and sponging and half halting the inside rein untill I feel even the slightest bit of softening. If he gives a bit, I release the presure and tell him he was good. Lots of circles, serpentines, and sppirals help

    Ill definitely keep this in mind for tomorrow! :) Thanks!
         
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        09-13-2009, 02:10 AM
      #12
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever    
    The way I was taught to ask for the bend is by using my inside leg to push her more towards the rail, and like tighten up on the contact with the inside rein But I've been bringing the rein lower for teaching her atm I tend to do that with everything I teach at first idk why. and kinda take your outside rein forward bit. Idk its easier done then said, I did my best hope you kinda get the picture.

    What I highlighted in red is the biggest mistake most amateurs make. You are not steering a car but riding a horse. By allowing the outside rein forward you are creating the bend/crease at the shoulder, not through the neck. Even though it appears to be working to the left this is where the problem actually is. This horse prefers to concave to the left. And it is because this horse rather stretch the right side neck neck muscles to create that concavity to the left it has trouble stretching the left side muscles.

    So what most don't realize, it is the left side where the problem exists.

    This horse has stiff left side neck muscles.
         
        09-13-2009, 02:25 AM
      #13
    Green Broke
    LOL! I guess that's true :P Never thought of it that way. Thanks for pointing that out! So keep the contact??? Could you explain like how I should be asking for the bend? Because im suprised my instructor taught me something that isnt really correct.

    She must stiffen up more in movement because like I said she can flex almost like at my heel.
         
        09-13-2009, 10:33 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
    Well heres a video. She's reaching more with her back end then she did when I rode more the parelli way. Imagine a western jog :P
    I wasnt asking her to bend so much at teh corners and the ones I were the dang camera couldnt see. I had no one there to really film me.. and with only 13 minutes of Film time and half of it I was on the side the camera couldnt see, that I had to edit out... well I didnt get much sorry. But I did try and bend her to the right so you can see.. which is when you will see a TINY little circle that's ALL I can get her to do to that side.

    I did work the right side fyi :P
    Im also using the saddle that's slightly to small for her hense some hollowing of the back. My friend was using her saddle so I was stuck with mine, I ordered the gullet so It should be here soon :)

         
        09-13-2009, 11:45 PM
      #15
    Trained
    I'm not going to disagree with the saddle issues, but I'm not going to agree either.

    As a known fact, most horses are left hooved therefore they tend to pick up things a little slower going to the right than to the left (as much our fault sometimes too. For someone reason I always found it's much easier to teach the left then the right).

    I would do some shoulder work with her. When you're walking a cirlcle to the right, pick up your right rein and ask lightly for her to turn (do not have your rein cross her neck - keep it on the right side of her) and with your inside leg, ask her to pick herself up and push over. The combination of this encouarges them to use their shoulder to push themselves around. You'll be able to feel from when she's going around in a regular circle to when she's really pushing herself over.

    Another thing to try is going in a left circle, use the same signals that were above (picking up the right rein to keep her nose out of the circle and your leg to push her shoulder over) which will push her into the circle but keep her forward momentum.
    It will almost feel like a backwards spin, of sorts, but again you feel her engaging her shoulders and moving off that side.

    Eventually she'll remember that she's got to keep both sides of her engaged to stay balanced. Lots of horses have issues with engaging their hindquarters and simply run off the front end.

    Lots of shoulder in's, shoulder's out, and leg yields and I believe she'll begin to soften and respond to her right side cues. :)
         
        09-14-2009, 12:39 AM
      #16
    Green Broke
    Yeah the saddle I was using there was like an inch to small. When I can use the saddle that fits or when I get the gullet, she lessons the head bobbing.

    Yeah she wasnt bending as well as she was the other day, but had a better trot/canter.

    I've been picking up the inside rein when asking for any bend, and to the left she gets the ( kinda shape. To the right I get a But Ill work on some shoulders in and out! :) and do what you suggested. Ill keep adding videos for you guys.
         
        09-14-2009, 01:19 AM
      #17
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever    
    Well heres a video. She's reaching more with her back end then she did when I rode more the parelli way. Imagine a western jog :P
    I wasnt asking her to bend so much at teh corners and the ones I were the dang camera couldnt see. I had no one there to really film me.. and with only 13 minutes of Film time and half of it I was on the side the camera couldnt see, that I had to edit out... well I didnt get much sorry. But I did try and bend her to the right so you can see.. which is when you will see a TINY little circle that's ALL I can get her to do to that side.

    I did work the right side fyi :P
    Im also using the saddle that's slightly to small for her hense some hollowing of the back. My friend was using her saddle so I was stuck with mine, I ordered the gullet so It should be here soon :)
    What I see in that video is a passenger that asked her horse to pretty please do what I ask but I really won't push it or ask too hard. If you don't come through it is ok because I am just having a fun ride.

    That is the impression I get.

    The reins are too long. No real definition when you asked for bends. 90% was to the left the 'better" side but even that side was not there. There was virtually no contact and the odd time you did go right you simply used the right rein to pull the neck over. Without the left rein on the horse to anchor her neck very little in the way of bend will happen.

    The problem I see is not whether the horse will bend, for all we know it might, but that you need a coach/instructor on the ground to pick you up when you become too complacent.
         
        09-14-2009, 04:45 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    LOL! Well its the 2nd day Im not going to kick her and force her to go into a bend right off. Its not fair. She's so use to having no contact at all since I was riding the parelli way. So im gradually picking up the contact more and more. Either way im being more demanding in that video then I have in the past few months. Imagine a western pleasure jog basically so this is 100x better. Its a work in progress. To the right I was using both inside and outside reins while using my leg and it wasnt happening at all. That's what she does, she did that with someone else who rode her.

    Im looking around for a dressage instructor to come to my barn and give me some lessons because Its really hard to do this over just reading stuff im one of those people who need someone there to show me in a way. But till then im looking on here for help lol.
         
        09-14-2009, 10:58 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Well my plan for tomorrow is, work her from the ground up basically. Im going to warm her up regularly then put the vienna lunge reins on her and work her with the inside rein tighter to get her to bend in the circle. I will also ride with tighter contact and really push her into the corners. As well as get her to stretch a more and drive her into the bit. Ill get video and see how it goes. Hopefully someone will be there to actually move the camera around haha.
         
        09-15-2009, 09:16 PM
      #20
    Trained
    I'm not familiar with Parelli. They ride horses English with no contact???
         

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