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    05-05-2012, 04:04 PM
  #1
Weanling
is it the bit?

My mare has been off work for most of the winter and when I tried to bridle her recently it became a huge tug of war which I lost (myler bit)! Head tossing, bracing, circling not opening her mouth all the usual things, she did not want that bit in her mouth. I have to add that although she has never been too great to bridle I have always been able to bridle her and once she has it on she is fine. So teeth have been checked recently and all fine, so I set to work trying to find out whether this was a bridle issue, bit issue ear shyness etc. I started by having the rope halter on and just rubbing her all over her head and eyes and rubbing her ears and poll with my hands. She was okay with all of this so I tried just putting the rope of the halter into her mouth, at first she did some circling around me but she did get still and she did take the rope with no head tossing or pulling back, so I held it a few minutes while she played and mouthed it and once she was still with it I let her drop it from her mouth. I gave her a good rub and let her rest for a few minutes before trying again. This time she was alot better stood still and as soon as I asked her to take the rope she opened her mouth and I put it into the bit position again and she seemed happy with it there and again mouthed on it. I repeated a third time with success then left her be. After doing this I think it could be a bit issue and am considering trying a rubber bit (happy mouth I think it is) what do you guys think? My logic behind this was that either in the past she has had the bit forced in her mouth while trying to resist or it has been banged against her teeth perhaps or maybe she just doesn't like the feel of the bit? Also where should I go from here, should I keep on with asking her to accept the rope a few more times before I try another bit?
     
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    05-06-2012, 02:26 PM
  #2
Weanling
Any advice would be appreciated please.
     
    05-06-2012, 02:59 PM
  #3
Super Moderator
I am wondering if she had the bit hit her uncomfortably when you were attempting to bridle her and it upset her. I would get a bottle of molasses and paint some on the bit and go really slow. I would bridle, praise, unbridle, praise etc. The horse will like the molasses and want the bit.

I would also have her ears checked for fly bites or sores. Rub inside her ears and see if you feels debris in them. Pulling a bridle crown over bitten ears hurts and a horse will protest.

Rubber bits are sometimes too big in the mouth for a horse with a small/shallow palate. The Mylar shouldn't have been a problem there. You could also go back to a simple snaffle and see if there is a difference.

Keep us informed of any changes.
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    05-06-2012, 04:12 PM
  #4
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
I am wondering if she had the bit hit her uncomfortably when you were attempting to bridle her and it upset her. I would get a bottle of molasses and paint some on the bit and go really slow. I would bridle, praise, unbridle, praise etc. The horse will like the molasses and want the bit.

I would also have her ears checked for fly bites or sores. Rub inside her ears and see if you feels debris in them. Pulling a bridle crown over bitten ears hurts and a horse will protest.

Rubber bits are sometimes too big in the mouth for a horse with a small/shallow palate. The Mylar shouldn't have been a problem there. You could also go back to a simple snaffle and see if there is a difference.

Keep us informed of any changes.
Thank you so much for your reply, I tried again today with the rope and she was good. I have only ever used a single jointed snaffle which is what she came with and she kind of used to lean forward into the bit and move her head from side to side even when just stood still. I did think that as I ride with very little contact she was trying to seek out the bit/contact as she has mainly been a driver in her life so she will have been used to a constant contact. I changed this to a french link snaffle which she still seemed to do the same. So I invested in a myler comfort snaffle with roller. She seems better with the this but the last time I tried to bridle her she just would not take the bit and I did as you suggested and put mollasses on the bit to try to encourage her but it didn't make any difference. I was thinking that over the next few days I will try to make a video so you can see what I mean. She isn't violently reacting to it but just makes it awkward to do.
     
    05-06-2012, 04:18 PM
  #5
Weanling
I will check her ears out also as this could be a possibility, would she object to the bit in anticipation of the bridle going over her ears? Do you think I should perhaps stick with the myler then? She has very good breaks and is very light in the mouth so I definitely want to stick with the snaffle but am willing to see about different variations. I've even thought about just riding her in her pressure halter as a temporary measure until I can figure out if it's a training thing/pain thing or just that she is being a madam as she is very responsive to this?
     
    05-08-2012, 04:25 PM
  #6
Weanling
Updating...... I had a session tonight with my mare, I borrowed a soft felixible straight bar rubber bit to try on her. I decided to try this to see if she preferred this as to the metal, she didn't want to accept it at first and moved around a little bit and moved her head evasively I was being calm and patient with her but instead of wait and wait I thought I would try a different tact and asked her to accept the halter rope as she had done previous night. She accepted the rope first time of asking so I immediately let her drop the rope from her mouth. After this one time I asked her again to take the rubber bit and she did. She mouthed it a little and then I asked her to release the bit. I don't know now whether to keep going with the rubber for now or whether I should keep trying different types of bits and materials as when she has the bit in she is fine so it seems it's just the initial opening of the mouth and taking the bit. It just takes alot of patience and calmness on my part and about 10 minutes.
     
    05-08-2012, 04:58 PM
  #7
Trained
She needs to be finished w/regards to bridle training. This is an OLD problem, getting worse. I suggest that you work with her using a soft, cotton lead rope as your bridle. I first saw this done on a program with Ryan Gingerich, and this is how HE starts bridle training HIS colts. Here is a picture of my help bridle training in February. My horse is 16'3hh, and we've trained him to drop his head and give to the left to enable us (shorter people) to get this on.



Sorry, no picture of THIS on him, but here he is being ridden later that same day.

     
    05-08-2012, 05:29 PM
  #8
Weanling
Corporal thanks for the picture. I'm using a halter and 15ft line on her the line is very thin rope which she is accepting very well. I don't know what made me try the rope in her mouth but it's working so I don't mind. I also think that she has some anxiety about being bitted as the more patient and calm I am and the longer I take to do it the easier she is to take the bit if that makes sense. If she isn't taking the bit and is starting to move her head around of move her feet away from me I ask her to stand still, i'll run my hand down over her nose and try to keep her calm and she seems to respond to that rather than the "you will stand still while I do this" kind of approach. I have all the time and patience to enable me to get this right so hopefully she will become better over time. I haven't had the bit attached to the bridle right now as it seems to be the bit that is the issue and so that I had enough room and hands etc i've just been working with the bit in my hand.
     

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