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    10-08-2010, 12:49 AM
  #11
Trained
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Originally Posted by Acire    
And your horse listens 100% of the time? Must be nice... Are you sure your riding a HORSE?
Let me put it this way, if you have a kid on your shoulders that's leaning forward and back, side to side, pulling on your hair and kicking you and somewhere in there he tries to tell you to stop, or turn left, you've probably tuned him out so you don't notice this. And then the kid starts yelling at you and crying and you're just like "WTF kid, calm down!". And you just want to make the kid happy and try to figure out what he wants.
If same said kid is sitting quietly, in balance on your shoulders and the slightly leans back, you're going to stop, or if he leans left, your going to go left, because you want to make the kid happy.
The same thing happens on horseback.
     
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    10-08-2010, 01:05 AM
  #12
Green Broke
If it is eventing you are wanting to get into, you are going to have to school yourself AND your horse in correct use of a snaffle. A fairly slim full cheek snaffle would be my suggestion. Bear in mind that a snaffle is required in the dressage phase of eventing until the very high levels.

On the plus side, if you can train your horse to be responsive in a snaffle, all other areas of your riding will improve also, even if it is through necessity rather than choice!
     
    10-08-2010, 01:20 AM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
Let me put it this way, if you have a kid on your shoulders that's leaning forward and back, side to side, pulling on your hair and kicking you and somewhere in there he tries to tell you to stop, or turn left, you've probably tuned him out so you don't notice this. And then the kid starts yelling at you and crying and you're just like "WTF kid, calm down!". And you just want to make the kid happy and try to figure out what he wants.
If same said kid is sitting quietly, in balance on your shoulders and the slightly leans back, you're going to stop, or if he leans left, your going to go left, because you want to make the kid happy.
The same thing happens on horseback.

My horse is very spirited. And it's not like he'd fall over if I leaned far enough to the left like a person would with a kid on their shoulders.
He's not 'push button', so he's not perfect.
     
    10-08-2010, 01:34 AM
  #14
Trained
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Originally Posted by Acire    
My horse is very spirited. And it's not like he'd fall over if I leaned far enough to the left like a person would with a kid on their shoulders.
He's not 'push button', so he's not perfect.
If you are needing a stronger bit, then the fault isn't with your horse. Unless there is some physical reason that your horse can't use a snaffle, then there is no reason to not use one. If your horse is too spirited to listen, then you need to go back to training the basics. The issue is not how harsh or mild your bit is, it is a training issue.
     
    10-08-2010, 01:58 AM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
If you are needing a stronger bit, then the fault isn't with your horse. Unless there is some physical reason that your horse can't use a snaffle, then there is no reason to not use one. If your horse is too spirited to listen, then you need to go back to training the basics. The issue is not how harsh or mild your bit is, it is a training issue.

Then why do they make bits other than snaffles?
     
    10-08-2010, 02:08 AM
  #16
Foal
They make them as 'band aids'. They're a quick fix but reschooling your horse to go well in snaffle really is a wonderful idea. Its hard, I know. My mare is very very very very VERY spirited and it took me months to get her to respond to her french link snaffle, and we're still working on it but she is so much more responsive now and overall a better ride.

The bottom line is, you need a snaffle for dressage. As for the different types, it really depends on what works for you and your horse. The best would be to try various ones and see what works the best, just remember that it will take time for you and your horse to get used to a snaffle. You might need to go back to just walk and start from there, until you can walk, halt and go from a fast walk to a slow walk easily with the snaffle. Then move onto a trot and repeat.
     
    10-08-2010, 02:13 AM
  #17
Foal
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Originally Posted by munschk    
They make them as 'band aids'. They're a quick fix but reschooling your horse to go well in snaffle really is a wonderful idea. Its hard, I know. My mare is very very very very VERY spirited and it took me months to get her to respond to her french link snaffle, and we're still working on it but she is so much more responsive now and overall a better ride.

The bottom line is, you need a snaffle for dressage. As for the different types, it really depends on what works for you and your horse. The best would be to try various ones and see what works the best, just remember that it will take time for you and your horse to get used to a snaffle. You might need to go back to just walk and start from there, until you can walk, halt and go from a fast walk to a slow walk easily with the snaffle. Then move onto a trot and repeat.
Thanks. You seem to be the only one that understands what I'm trying to say. I guess 3 years of working on it isn't enough..
     
    10-08-2010, 02:37 AM
  #18
Weanling
They make other bits because people want quick fixes, not because it's a good idea. There are such things as 'scissor' and 'bike chain' bits out there- would you use one just because it's on the market? Just because 'they make them' therefore they must be useful?
The bottom line is that your horse won't listen to a snaffle because there's an issue with his training. Tons of imperfect, spirited horses go in a snaffle. It takes effort, it takes time, and it will likely cause you good amounts of grief until you and your horse 'get it' but your riding will improve if you learn to be an effective rider with a snaffle bit. Believe me, I feel your pain. I used to use gadgets such as thin twisted wire bits and curbs because my horses wouldn't respond correctly to a snaffle- guess what the problem was? Me.
You can either open up your mind and allow others with experience to teach you, or you can be closedminded and only accept answers that please you. You can decide which type of person will be the better rider overall; I'll give you a hint, it ain't the latter.
     
    10-08-2010, 02:46 AM
  #19
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acire    
Then why do they make bits other than snaffles?
I will extend on the 'band-aid' and 'quick fix' answers. They make these bits because people think it will fix the need for training. Remember that a bit company is out there to make money, not to help train your horse. The more bits they flood the market with, saying they will help, the more they can charge, and therefore more money comes in. If every horse was ridden in a nice, smooth, flat, gentle snaffle, the bit company wouldn't make any money. They need people to have a different bit for jumping, for cross country, for dressage, for hacking. That is how they make their money. That is why there are so many varieties of bits out there. Nothing to do with the horse and the horse's needs. All to do with the mighty dollar.
     
    10-08-2010, 02:51 AM
  #20
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiilaa    
I will extend on the 'band-aid' and 'quick fix' answers. They make these bits because people think it will fix the need for training. Remember that a bit company is out there to make money, not to help train your horse. The more bits they flood the market with, saying they will help, the more they can charge, and therefore more money comes in. If every horse was ridden in a nice, smooth, flat, gentle snaffle, the bit company wouldn't make any money. They need people to have a different bit for jumping, for cross country, for dressage, for hacking. That is how they make their money. That is why there are so many varieties of bits out there. Nothing to do with the horse and the horse's needs. All to do with the mighty dollar.
Very good point, Chiilaa, and very true. If you were able to ride every event in a snaffle, then you would only spend money on a snaffle. But if you have to buy a Super Duper Dressage Bit, a Fancy Shmancy Showjumping bit, a Copper Champion Cross Country Bit, a Lucky Happy Hunter bit, and God knows what else, well that's a lot more revenue for the companies out there. There are a gazillion different types of bit manufacturers out there, all trying to tell you that their bit will fix your horse fast- for $109.98, results not guaranteed.
     

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