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post #11 of 22 Old 09-24-2012, 05:50 PM
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Hackomore

Trust me I never complain. I'm blessed to be here and do what I do and to make the dreams of my guest come true.
I don't use bits, and my horses are trained to were I don't need them even for my guest.

I get strange looks and questions when people come to ride who ride and they don't see bits.

I also don't use shoes. I'm pretty much natural here and simple.
Please don't get wrong, Bits have their place the same as shoes do.

And I teach riding with the horse and it's natural rhythm of it's gate.
I've taught riders from around the world who come here, from professional yo to the kids I work with.

You may see more photos on facebook/brucsewalker

I also give my horses massages, work on stress and pressure relief with hands on.
I'm still learning a lot and looking to share information with others who do this.

I'm not a professional, it just seems to come natural and I research.

If any one has any experience with this, please let me know.
Yes I can also through a rope over their neck to ride or just make a make shift halter from a lead rope and ride.

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post #12 of 22 Old 09-24-2012, 05:53 PM
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Hi Boo, my last name is Walker also. Good name. :)
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A friend that was in the NMSU equine progrem showed me how to "do" message therapy for my senior (now passed away), it was amazing! I had a little routine we developed for him - it was obviouse to the casual observer how much he "appreciated" it.

I am sure we can all benefit from what you have to share. I am guessing there are others on the board that practice/research this, too.

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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post #14 of 22 Old 09-24-2012, 06:48 PM
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Yes we can all learn from each other. I have one horse who use to be a handful to ride. He still is, but he's fun. Since I started using the hands on and massage, he's so much better. He's not as jumpy as before. He still doesn't care for the ocean, or big trucks. LOL
I'm learning to work with each of my horses differently to who they are.
To be honest, I'm not into all the fancy riding, I ride to have fun and love learning. My horses enjoy the life too. :)
I look forward to getting to knowing you and the others here.

The problem I was having was all the professionals who train, seem to do it mostly for the money. I don't. Trust me, we don't make a lot of money here, but it's a beautiful place and it's just plain simple fun. :)
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I just thought this was interesting. I put a hackamore on my mare to "test" her responses to my leg/seat..body in general. It gave me a lot of valuable feed back. I was really proud of her, she did outstanding.... except, one thing - she didn't move off of my leg pressure from a standstill (left or right). I only ever use bit pressure if I get a slow or no response otherwise. So, I am guessing that in the past I had consistantly had to go from leg to bit pressure to move out L or R from a standstill, but I never realized it. I think a hackamore (or halter if you feel that "sure") is such a great way to identify holes in training....I know I was pretty surprised to find that one!

And, I had to use next to zero pressure to get her to stop beautifully. She has always seemed unhappy about bits in her mouth. I even had her teeth checked twice, "just in case"..nada. I guess she just doesn't need one. :) I am not dropping them all together, yet...but I will "plan" her training in that direction.
I personally love hackamores. I show in ranch or stock horse competitions and we are allowed to show in a hackamore at any age. My 6 yr old does very well in the hackamore and that is what I show in. They are great for sensitive young horses that have the tendency to get behind the snaffle which has always been an issue with him. I think the hackamore changes their balance a little too, like you mentioned, because I get better, more balanced stops with a hackamore than with a snaffle. In my opinion, if you can keep them from getting heavy on them( I use them for short periods) then they are a great training tool. Plus its nice to "get out of their mouths" every once in a while and see what's really happening :)

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I personally love hackamores. I show in ranch or stock horse competitions and we are allowed to show in a hackamore at any age. My 6 yr old does very well in the hackamore and that is what I show in. They are great for sensitive young horses that have the tendency to get behind the snaffle which has always been an issue with him. I think the hackamore changes their balance a little too, like you mentioned, because I get better, more balanced stops with a hackamore than with a snaffle. In my opinion, if you can keep them from getting heavy on them( I use them for short periods) then they are a great training tool. Plus its nice to "get out of their mouths" every once in a while and see what's really happening :)
haha...I love the "good job" screen pic.

I think sometimes what I do know can make me think "linearly". My mare is my first grade horse in my adult life (all QH's, before). All of my cow horses had an inate "confidence" that made it effortless to train to a soft mouth. She isn't "them", and that should have been obviouse. In her early stages she needed the "security" of more contact than "those before her". B/c of my linear thinking, it took me forever to figure that out! After I "woke up" and tailored training to her, we mastered "soft". But she acted as if the bit was a huge distraction. We went through a "few". :) The answer should have been obviouse..but I am slow on the uptake. My original intent was to see how she would go along on patterns w "nothing", w the hackamore, which had been collecting dust all that time. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut, every so often! :)

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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Yes we can all learn from each other. I have one horse who use to be a handful to ride. He still is, but he's fun. Since I started using the hands on and massage, he's so much better. He's not as jumpy as before. He still doesn't care for the ocean, or big trucks. LOL
I'm learning to work with each of my horses differently to who they are.
To be honest, I'm not into all the fancy riding, I ride to have fun and love learning. My horses enjoy the life too. :)
I look forward to getting to knowing you and the others here.

The problem I was having was all the professionals who train, seem to do it mostly for the money. I don't. Trust me, we don't make a lot of money here, but it's a beautiful place and it's just plain simple fun. :)
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Haha...I don't do fancy riding either. I like a "partner" in a horse - just to have fun with. I use to work them, which is also fun. I take personal satisfaction from "our" (my horse and my) progress...but there is no "bar" I have to reach. And, yeah, I have met a few "pros" that I could do w/o, that is for sure! Not only were they in it for the money...but I would call some of their tactics bordering on abuse. I prefer to train my own horses - its half the fun!

Well, I love the ocean but I don't like big trucks, myself. :)

I was going to mention one of the "message therapy" things I did for my old guy that was so easy and he was always so thankful to have it done: pick up there leg from the forearm (somewhat like you would to make sure there are no pinches from a cinch), and cradle it in your hands and rock it gently side to side (obviousely their knee is bent and the cannon on down is freely hanging). And then gently put it down. Try and pull it "more forward" each time you do it..by tiny amounts. He would get a little stiff like all old guys do, that would help him a lot. That might be a poor description. I don't know what, if any, the formal name of it is...and you probably already know "that one".

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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post #18 of 22 Old 09-25-2012, 05:16 PM
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haha...I love the "good job" screen pic.

I think sometimes what I do know can make me think "linearly". My mare is my first grade horse in my adult life (all QH's, before). All of my cow horses had an inate "confidence" that made it effortless to train to a soft mouth. She isn't "them", and that should have been obviouse. In her early stages she needed the "security" of more contact than "those before her". B/c of my linear thinking, it took me forever to figure that out! After I "woke up" and tailored training to her, we mastered "soft". But she acted as if the bit was a huge distraction. We went through a "few". :) The answer should have been obviouse..but I am slow on the uptake. My original intent was to see how she would go along on patterns w "nothing", w the hackamore, which had been collecting dust all that time. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut, every so often! :)

I hear you! I agree that is easy to get stuck in the same way of thinking, especially riding the same type of horse. It is one of those things that we all get told over and over again as far as horse training but just don't "get it" until we are faced with ourselves and forced to problem solve. I am one of those too that is slow on the uptake and need to do to understand completely by doing. But those little things, when accomplished and understood make you feel like you knocked down mountains :)

I was taught some about the hackamore as a teenager then went onto work for other places/bosses that would fire you if you came out of the saddle barn with a hackamore hanging on your horse because horses ended up being complete runaways in them if not used right. So I got away from using them. I rode a cowhorse who won a world show in a hackamore and it was softest, lightest horse I ever rode and it renewed my interest in the hackamore. I hope you are enjoying using one as much as I have lately!
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Well, watched the video and now I am completely depressed! WOW! Just so you know in advance, if you ever complain about life - you will get no sympathy, here. :)

Whilst I do not have the "rhythm" of the beach :(...I am a firm believer in rhythm. It is this amazing thing that is "just there for the taking". I actually "accidently" learned that b/c I was born w a hot seat...I could get on the pokiest horse in the nation and have it move on out, which is only useful if the horse is pokey. :) To gain control of it (which took years) I had to sing cadence or nursery rhymes to "myself". One can't miss the response of a horse to rhythm. To bad I do not have a lovely voice.:)
I went to Ocean City last year, and I wished so bad I could run my horse along the beach, but she would probably throw me once the tide rolled toward her! LOL!

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I went to Ocean City last year, and I wished so bad I could run my horse along the beach, but she would probably throw me once the tide rolled toward her! LOL!
I know exactly what you mean!! Every single stinking time we go to the beach I get this "ache" (the kind that precedes a temper tantrum) b/c I want sooooo badly to ride my own horse along the beach. Inevitabely someone will suggest renting one...and I'll sulk, "no, I want to do it on my OWN horse!!!". Why can't they understand that!!!??? I have broken down and done that...it is not the same.

I believe my mare would love the water, but I could be surprised...and she would do what, dump me in the "sand"? haha...bring it on! I want to ride in Zion, too, same thing...w my own horse.
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