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post #11 of 16 Old 12-25-2010, 06:53 PM Thread Starter
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I am trying to see if I should be so concerned about complete collection right now more than complete control and teaching him to use himself properly but without him knowing and having the muscle to carry himself properly he can never be collected.
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post #12 of 16 Old 12-25-2010, 06:55 PM
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NO leverage bits. At best, the horse will tuck their chin in to avoid the leverage and travel in a false frame; then you'll have another issue to retrain, at worst, the horse will learn to brace against the leverage device. The style of the cheekpiece is not that critical; a full check, a D ring or an egg butt are all fine.

Seriously, there is no cure for this except a long, slow, program of flatwork, teaching the horse to accept your leg and the bit. If he doesn't understand what leg is for, then there's no bit in the world that you can put in his mouth that will stop him if he panics and runs.
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NO leverage bits. At best, the horse will tuck their chin in to avoid the leverage and travel in a false frame; then you'll have another issue to retrain, at worst, the horse will learn to brace against the leverage device. The style of the cheekpiece is not that critical; a full check, a D ring or an egg butt are all fine.

Seriously, there is no cure for this except a long, slow, program of flatwork, teaching the horse to accept your leg and the bit. If he doesn't understand what leg is for, then there's no bit in the world that you can put in his mouth that will stop him if he panics and runs.
Ok I think I will go with that. Any chance you're near TX to help lol :)
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Without acceptance of the aids, there can be no collection, no connection, no using himself properly.

From your posts, I'm guessing that you're using "collection" to mean moving united, back to front, in a connected, organized fashion, not "collected" in the dressage sense, but even so, you're a long way away from either.

You mentioned you're working with a trainer, *with a trainer's supervision*, a program of lunging in a surcingle and side reins can be helpful in reclaiming an OTTB. It encourages them to work correctly and begin muscling their topline, making the undersaddle work easier later on. However, done incorrectly, it can just confirm their bad racetrack habits, so do work closely with your trainer.

CONTROL comes from acceptance of the aids, and correct application of the aids, not equipment. When you are working undersaddle, I would strongly recommend using elementary aids on loose reins, with voice commands, while doing lots of basic transitions. The voice commands and loose rein pull-release, pull-release will give you something that can overwrite the racehorse "Riders pulling - must lean and run faster" conditioning.
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Without acceptance of the aids, there can be no collection, no connection, no using himself properly.

From your posts, I'm guessing that you're using "collection" to mean moving united, back to front, in a connected, organized fashion, not "collected" in the dressage sense, but even so, you're a long way away from either.

You mentioned you're working with a trainer, *with a trainer's supervision*, a program of lunging in a surcingle and side reins can be helpful in reclaiming an OTTB. It encourages them to work correctly and begin muscling their topline, making the undersaddle work easier later on. However, done incorrectly, it can just confirm their bad racetrack habits, so do work closely with your trainer.

CONTROL comes from acceptance of the aids, and correct application of the aids, not equipment. When you are working undersaddle, I would strongly recommend using elementary aids on loose reins, with voice commands, while doing lots of basic transitions. The voice commands and loose rein pull-release, pull-release will give you something that can overwrite the racehorse "Riders pulling - must lean and run faster" conditioning.
yea you're right collected but not the dressage collected. I know he is a long way off from either of those so that's why its not my first priorty my priorty is getting him to understand what my aids mean vs racing and building from there. I do lunge him in a surcingle and side reins he does well we still just have a lot to do but I think he is worth it. I am doing a half-halt pull release on the outside rein when he gets too excited he is starting to figure out exactly what that means. Would you recommend stopping the ground poles or is it ok for him to be working over those?
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At this stage of your horse's training, a true half halt is not really appropriate or effective. You have to completely release the contact at least on one rein, sometimes both. So an alternate pull-release; first on one rein, then the other, or a big pull-release, completely dropping the contact is what you need.

Unreclaimed racehorses are sneaky - if you maintain steady contact on even one rein for a period, they'll figure out a way to lean. Reclaiming starts with not ever giving them something to lean on or brace against.
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