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  • How to fit a chin strap on a o ring snaffle bit
  • Can you put a curb on a o ring snaffle bit

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    11-06-2012, 05:03 PM
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So what is the bit that is like a d ring but the rings are round and loose on the end?
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    11-06-2012, 05:06 PM
  #22
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Is this the bit you're talking about? This is an O - ring
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    11-06-2012, 05:32 PM
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Is this the bit you're talking about? This is an O - ring
That's the one. I almost bought one.
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    11-06-2012, 06:50 PM
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I like O rings that's what I use on joy
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    11-06-2012, 07:36 PM
  #25
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Everything you are describing, trail riding, and light cow work, for example, whether you use neck reining or not can easily be done in an eggbut snaffle. Additionally, an eggbut snaffle should ALWAYS be used with a chinstrap; loose ring snaffle too; D ring, probably best to, full cheek, probably not essential, but couldn’t hurt either. There may be differences in the actual application of a chinstrap and a curb strap, but you can use a curb strap for a chin strap; just don’t tighten it up like one might on a curb bit (even then you should be able to have at least 2 fingers in there easily).
For centuries people have trained all sorts of horses in an eggbut snaffle, or some antiquated equivalent to it, to do about everything that you could possibly ever want from a horse. And in all my years of working on cattle stations in Australia I have never seen anyone ride in anything other than a snaffle bit of various varieties (except me, I like a hackamore). So some idea that you can’t do all sorts of cattle work or trail riding in a snaffle bit seems odd to me. Personally I think too many people put too much worry into what bit to use for what they are doing or what their “horse likes”. For what its worth, in my experience horses don’t like, or not like, bits of this or that variety but are taught to not like them through what someone does with their hands (which is what they really don’t like). Just stick properly measured chin strap (what Tinyliny posted, which is identical to the one I have used for years), or properly adjusted curb strap on your eggbut snaffle and it will work fine provided what you are doing with it is fine.
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    11-06-2012, 08:30 PM
  #26
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I agree with you Andrew, with regard to a horse being able to do everything in a snaffle. It's certainly my fav.

The chin and curb straps, while being the same in that they are both a strap of leather, do NOT function the same. Once you put a chin strap on a shanked bit, it will transfer leverage pressure and is now a curb strap.

To keep it straight in your mind, remember that "curb" also means to stop something . So, a "curb" strap stops the horse. A chin strap does not amplify the cues whatsoever.
     
    11-06-2012, 08:39 PM
  #27
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Put a chin strap on an eggbut snaffle, and put a curb strap on an eggbut snaffle adjusted the same way as the chin strap and they will work exactly the same way.
     
    11-06-2012, 09:21 PM
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Yes, but the converse is not true. They will not work as chin straps on a curb bit, and that was my point.
     
    11-06-2012, 09:23 PM
  #29
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I didn’t say it was true.
     
    11-06-2012, 09:44 PM
  #30
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Originally Posted by AnrewPL    
Personally I think too many people put too much worry into what bit to use for what they are doing or what their “horse likes”. For what its worth, in my experience horses don’t like, or not like, bits of this or that variety but are taught to not like them through what someone does with their hands (which is what they really don’t like).
I agree and disagree with this statement. This will be off topic but I feel compelled to address it.

Coming from a cowboying background in the US roping is a big part of maintaining healthy cattle. Roping is a hell of a lot easier when you can maneuver a horse with one hand then rope with the other, hence the handiness of neck reining and using the seat and legs rather than steering with two hands. If you have roped much on green colts much you know! LOL
Anyhow also with my cowboying background from the west the spade bit was a huge influence. With that came the importance of fitting the bit to the horse due to his mouth conformation. I find this information(mouth conformation) to be a good indication to what bit works best on a horse, even a snaffle let alone a curb bit and most importantly a spade. Lips, bars, tongue, teeth, palate, and training level(for the short list), in my opinion, should be considered when choosing a good bit.

I agree with you in the fact that for some that doesn't apply but rather it is simply a tolerance of the riders abilities. A bit can compliment or hinder a riders communication level with his horse when used correctly or incorrectly. But I find that the snaffle "over used" with the onset of marketing of natural horsemanship, much like the rope halter. I think some have taken the thought of riding a horse in a snaffle to retrain or fix holes in a horse (which is good) to the point where they think it is the best/humane/gentlest way to ride their horse even though he is 20 yrs old and broke to death and is well beyond a snaffle.


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Originally Posted by AnrewPL    
Put a chin strap on an eggbut snaffle, and put a curb strap on an eggbut snaffle adjusted the same way as the chin strap and they will work exactly the same way.
True, but it is called a curb strap on a curb bit. But called a chin strap on a snaffle, usually no chain, but leather and tied. LOL...go figure....
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