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  • Chin straps on spade bits

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    11-06-2012, 09:53 PM
  #31
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Off track here too.....but Cowchick what kind of western bit would you recommend for a young filly who is spooky as hell and likes to run away from stuff?? The kicker is, she has a short mouth and just pulls through the riders hands in a snaffle and manages to make it about 80 foot on a one rein stop before she quits.....she stops when she's not in flight mode....other than that your pretty much hooped.......just asking, have a friend who is having a heck of a time with this horse....you could spend a month desensitizing it....then a week later it's running off again....it's a bit feral in my opinion.....bit options?
     
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    11-06-2012, 10:06 PM
  #32
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Originally Posted by Muppetgirl    
Off track here too.....but Cowchick what kind of western bit would you recommend for a young filly who is spooky as hell and likes to run away from stuff?? The kicker is, she has a short mouth and just pulls through the riders hands in a snaffle and manages to make it about 80 foot on a one rein stop before she quits.....she stops when she's not in flight mode....other than that your pretty much hooped.......just asking, have a friend who is having a heck of a time with this horse....you could spend a month desensitizing it....then a week later it's running off again....it's a bit feral in my opinion.....bit options?
As much as I would love to rattle off some bit logic to fix the problem, I don't think that is the issue.
Whoever is riding that filly needs to get in her head and figure her out. I was told by a very good trainer " teaching manuevers is mechanics, that's easy, anyone can do it. But a good horse trainer can get in their heads." I have ridden a few young horses that came to me like that and it rooted from a variety of problems from bluffing the rider to being hammered too hard as a youngster to the rare just goofy or I wasn't smart enough to figure it out or get by.
     
    11-06-2012, 10:06 PM
  #33
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OK, fair enough, and what you are talking about with a spade bit, mouth confirmation etc. Is exactly why I have a spade bit (would have a few variations if I had the cash) have a San Joaquin bit and would have a few others, such as a half breed and/or a Salinas (if I had the money) and totally agree. But how many people even know what these bits are, much less know how to use them, and in the context of this thread, would just introduce complexity that isn’t needed. I have seen I don’t know how many people on horses all my life and from right across the north of Australia working cattle, on places up to and including a million acres, and never seen anything done on a horse, including roping, that couldn’t be done in a snaffle. The point I make is that ON AVAREGE it’s not what you have on your horses head that makes the biggest difference but how you use it; Id hardly call something like a a spade bit average.
As for the great chin strap curb strap debate of 2012, I call a chin strap the thing that Tinyliny posted, exactly the same as on my eggbut snaffle, I call a curb strap essentially the same thing except that has straps and buckles that allows for adjustment, that goes on a shanked bit. And yes, as Tinyliny pointed out, on those bits serves a specific function and is different to what it would do on a snaffle, no argument from me there. As for a curb chain, never used one, so no comment.
     
    11-06-2012, 10:09 PM
  #34
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Basically... I should get a snaffle with a chin strap.
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    11-06-2012, 10:12 PM
  #35
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Probably (this is getting out of hand, though it does keep one amusedJ)
     
    11-06-2012, 10:14 PM
  #36
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I barely understand what y'all are talking about

Haha

I just wanted to know a good starting point bit.

What could I use for my grey mare who is started in neck reining but is a little head strong? I feel I need a little more control over her than the others, but she has also never been in a bit for any length of time.
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    11-06-2012, 10:15 PM
  #37
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Originally Posted by AnrewPL    
OK, fair enough, and what you are talking about with a spade bit, mouth confirmation etc. Is exactly why I have a spade bit (would have a few variations if I had the cash) have a San Joaquin bit and would have a few others, such as a half breed and/or a Salinas (if I had the money) and totally agree. But how many people even know what these bits are, much less know how to use them, and in the context of this thread, would just introduce complexity that isnít needed. I have seen I donít know how many people on horses all my life and from right across the north of Australia working cattle, on places up to and including a million acres, and never seen anything done on a horse, including roping, that couldnít be done in a snaffle. The point I make is that ON AVAREGE itís not what you have on your horses head that makes the biggest difference but how you use it; Id hardly call something like a a spade bit average.

I agree, I think I might have missed your point slighty now that you have redescribed as above.

As for the great chin strap curb strap debate of 2012, I call a chin strap the thing that Tinyliny posted, exactly the same as on my eggbut snaffle, I call a curb strap essentially the same thing except that has straps and buckles that allows for adjustment, that goes on a shanked bit. And yes, as Tinyliny pointed out, on those bits serves a specific function and is different to what it would do on a snaffle, no argument from me there. As for a curb chain, never used one, so no comment.
LOL..who ever thought a chin/curb strap could get so technical!
Basically what I said what I was trying to explain but I guess I thought you meant different?? LOL..I am getting loopy from being overly tired :)
     
    11-06-2012, 10:23 PM
  #38
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
As much as I would love to rattle off some bit logic to fix the problem, I don't think that is the issue.
Whoever is riding that filly needs to get in her head and figure her out. I was told by a very good trainer " teaching manuevers is mechanics, that's easy, anyone can do it. But a good horse trainer can get in their heads." I have ridden a few young horses that came to me like that and it rooted from a variety of problems from bluffing the rider to being hammered too hard as a youngster to the rare just goofy or I wasn't smart enough to figure it out or get by.
Yeah I was thinking pretty much the same....I just don't want to suggest anything as I'd kind of have no idea what to do on the horse either.....the horse seems to 'get it' then 'forget it' it's like periodic amnesia......I'm thinking the gal perhaps should get a real strong whoa on the ground first, even in the form of hobble trainng the horse so she learns to 'stand' when the big scary horse devouring monsters come along.....
     
    11-06-2012, 10:24 PM
  #39
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I would ditch the tomb thumb... There are plenty of awesome bits that could easily replace that. If you like the snaffles that's a nice route to go. I know you said she responds and was "trained" in it but I think your horse will love you a little more if you put her in something else.
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    11-06-2012, 10:27 PM
  #40
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Originally Posted by Casey02    
I would ditch the tomb thumb... There are plenty of awesome bits that could easily replace that. If you like the snaffles that's a nice route to go. I know you said she responds and was "trained" in it but I think your horse will love you a little more if you put her in something else.
She is fine with the Tom Thumb. I have had to put actual pressure one in maybe once in the last month. Usually I can just wiggle it. She goes really well in it, and she just chews on a snaffle.

She is used to it, it works for us. If I don't even put pressure on it it isn't hurting her. When she has a snaffle or anything else in she just isn't as happy.
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