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post #21 of 49 Old 12-08-2009, 07:39 PM
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Marecare- Yup, I'd bite the heck out of any little brat that came near me! Hehe

I say get him vet checked before you become aggressive towards him.

The saddle thing does not have to be recent. Over a long period of time if he has had poorly fitting saddles on him it could have caused nerve damage that causes him pain every time he is saddled.

Even if you think this isn't the case please get him checked anyway, you could be surprised.

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post #22 of 49 Old 12-08-2009, 08:22 PM
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about the hitting the horse in the mouth then rubbing their face thing -- I waited a few seconds after I popped her in the mouth, then rubbed her face a few times to make sure she wasn't head shy. She is still not head shy and she doesnt bite. I've done this with a lot of horses and it works pretty well.

I am strongly against hitting the head, though, because my friend's horse is extremely head shy. I don't know how exactly to explain it, but I hit the bottom of the muzzle so they don't really see it coming, and they don't become headshy... does that make sense at all? :P
That sounds like what we used on a horse that came to us headshy. He would paw the ground or bite you when cross-tied, so a quick pop to the bottom of his muzzle or even his shoulder really got his attention. He had NO idea where it came from...lol, but he associated it with the actions.

I would not smack a horse that was already headshy or had been abused, but for a normal horse a quick smack is not a real issue if you ensure that there are lost of nice things that happen around the face as well.

I don't think there is really much you can do on the whole getting the horse checked out if he is a lesson horse. You could suggest it, but that's about all. (correct me if I'm wrong)
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post #23 of 49 Old 12-08-2009, 08:45 PM
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I disagree with hitting or smacking the horse at any time. It's predatory and unnecessary IMO.
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post #24 of 49 Old 12-09-2009, 01:35 PM
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I disagree with hitting or smacking the horse at any time. It's predatory and unnecessary IMO.
Well, since we can't really bite them or kick them, like they do to each other, its the only way for us to 'bite' back...

I'm not sure if I make any sense, its hard to explain. :P

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It's not the only way :)
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post #26 of 49 Old 12-09-2009, 02:26 PM
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just bc its not the only way doesnt mean its not legit

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IMO and in my experience it doesn't work. That's all I was saying.
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post #28 of 49 Old 12-09-2009, 02:38 PM
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We're not saying it is the only way, or the only way that works. You can express your ideas, and we will also let her know what has worked for us. I've used it on any biter that I have been around and I have never had a horse that turned headshy from it.
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I've been smacking for head bopping. I've been doing it for about 2 weeks now. My horse is not at all headshy UNTIL he bops me. I've noticed when he gets irritated or anxious and smacks me in the face with his head he braces for the quick smack. But if I move quickly or raise my hand when he's just standing there, he is not at all headshy. He knows that there is a consequence that go's with the head bop. He was really cracking me hard alot until I started this. He bops me and I smack within a second of his attack. I don't wait, I do it immediately. He now will swing his head to smack me and stop short. If he makes no contact with me, then I do not smack, unless I have time to react and get myself out of harms way, then he is met midswing of the head with a smack. He's not headshy and I feel this is working for me.

I'm not saying it's the right way OR the only way, just that it's working for me.

Also, someone said we can't bite. I had a mare that bit years ago. She got me on my hip one time so hard that I cried and I did retaliate in anger, I immediately grabbed her face and bit her nose as hard as I could. She never bit me again.

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post #30 of 49 Old 12-09-2009, 02:53 PM
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I've been smacking for head bopping. I've been doing it for about 2 weeks now. My horse is not at all headshy UNTIL he bops me. I've noticed when he gets irritated or anxious and smacks me in the face with his head he braces for the quick smack. But if I move quickly or raise my hand when he's just standing there, he is not at all headshy. He knows that there is a consequence that go's with the head bop. He was really cracking me hard alot until I started this. He bops me and I smack within a second of his attack. I don't wait, I do it immediately. He now will swing his head to smack me and stop short. If he makes no contact with me, then I do not smack, unless I have time to react and get myself out of harms way, then he is met midswing of the head with a smack. He's not headshy and I feel this is working for me.

I'm not saying it's the right way OR the only way, just that it's working for me.

Also, someone said we can't bite. I had a mare that bit years ago. She got me on my hip one time so hard that I cried and I did retaliate in anger, I immediately grabbed her face and bit her nose as hard as I could. She never bit me again.

You just made me smile. I would say you are right. I did have one that tried to do a nip and dip...lol. He would try to nip me and then swing his head away and low. I just smacked him on the hsoulder and he was like dang she still got me.

My dad bit a dog I had as a baby on the ear for nipping me. When I bit her one day she went and nipped hiim on the ear. :) My mom said I have always had smart aleck pets.
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