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        06-28-2013, 08:50 AM
      #11
    Weanling
    Forget all of the use your body parts to hit her. Get a club, a hard one. When she bites you hit her just as hard as you can right in the mouth. And do it quick. Shouldn't take but a few times and she'll learn it is more painful to bite, than it's worth. A biting horse is dangerous, and will get worse the longer it goes on. Yes, you may have to come back later and work on head shyness, but you can NOT let her bite. The punishment must be fast, hard, and hopefully not very often. Tapping on her, as you have done so far, is just making it worse.

    You can look for pain issues, but I doubt you'll find any. She has been controlling you with her mouth.
         
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        06-28-2013, 02:37 PM
      #12
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
    Forget all of the use your body parts to hit her. Get a club, a hard one. When she bites you hit her just as hard as you can right in the mouth.

    In my opinion, hitting a horse in the mouth with a club will cause much more harm than good. That is extreme and will just make the horse extremely head shy to the point of making everything else in daily life difficult, not just tacking up. Not to mention breaking their teeth/jaw and the vet bills/ euthanasia that could accompany it.
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        06-28-2013, 11:47 PM
      #13
    Yearling
    Even if it is pain, her behavior is not acceptable. It needs to be quickly and fairly handled.
    Certainly have her checked for ulcers etc but if she turns to bite you, a slap on the nose with a "NO!" is how I would handle it. You have to be quick though so you make contact.
         
        06-29-2013, 01:10 AM
      #14
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
    Forget all of the use your body parts to hit her. Get a club, a hard one. When she bites you hit her just as hard as you can right in the mouth. And do it quick. Shouldn't take but a few times and she'll learn it is more painful to bite, than it's worth. A biting horse is dangerous, and will get worse the longer it goes on. Yes, you may have to come back later and work on head shyness, but you can NOT let her bite. The punishment must be fast, hard, and hopefully not very often. Tapping on her, as you have done so far, is just making it worse.

    You can look for pain issues, but I doubt you'll find any. She has been controlling you with her mouth.
    A club!? I don't think I've ever heard anyone recommend the use of a "club" in training horses, unless they had to go into the pen with a confirmed man-killer.

    You can make a very memorable correction without using a club. If you want to be very strong about it, you could smack the horse in the face or jaw with a crop and make a huge impression without breaking bone or teeth.
         
        06-29-2013, 10:46 AM
      #15
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bbsmfg3    
    Forget all of the use your body parts to hit her. Get a club, a hard one. When she bites you hit her just as hard as you can right in the mouth. And do it quick. Shouldn't take but a few times and she'll learn it is more painful to bite, than it's worth. A biting horse is dangerous, and will get worse the longer it goes on. Yes, you may have to come back later and work on head shyness, but you can NOT let her bite. The punishment must be fast, hard, and hopefully not very often. Tapping on her, as you have done so far, is just making it worse.

    You can look for pain issues, but I doubt you'll find any. She has been controlling you with her mouth.

    Anybody else have a vision of Fred Flintstone??
         
        07-01-2013, 05:05 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Hey, guys. I'm pretty sure Squaw just has an additude problem. I talked to my trainer, and she doesn't think she's in any form of physical pain. But I'll have to get her checked anyways. I've been riding and everything. But I've used the connecting to my elbows with verbal cues such as "No!" And "Quit!" And she has gotten better with not trying to nip at me quite as frequently. My trainer and I are both sure it's additude.
    Thanks for your suggestions, everyone. And I'll keep you guys posted when I have a vet come out to check on any of the problems you have been talking about! Thanks so so so much guys!!! :)
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        07-03-2013, 05:47 PM
      #17
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Second Chance Sporthorses    
    I echo CLaPorte, sounds to me like ulcers and back soreness.
    Ulcers and/or soreness is what I thought of also. Even with tightening the girth slowly, she will still hurt. Have her checked out by a vet/chiropractor. Once any pain issue is resloved, if she still continues to bite, then back to the drawing board with good old fashioned ground work to get the respect you deserve.

    Good luck
         
        07-03-2013, 06:02 PM
      #18
    Started
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    Originally Posted by PaintGirl7    
    Squaw has always been pretty girthy and when you tighten the girth she almost always attempts nipping and she just plain out fusses.
    WHen you cinch up, make sure you are doing it slowly, not jerking the cinch. When you first do it, slowly pull back. Then work her to get her breath flowing again, slowly do it again. Then again do it one or two more times. You don't have to be cutting off the circulation of the horse either. (Super tight)

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    I've tried using my fist and hitting her in the muzzle, but that's starting to make her headshy. Again.
    DO NOT do that. Without a doubt it will make ANY horse headshy.

    When you cinch up, make sure to 1.) keep your elbow up so when her head comes around SHE hits your elbow.
    2.) tie her head up shorter. My horse likes to act like he is going to bite me - so I tie him up shorter and when he turns head to head to go around, he can't.
    3.) be quick with this tip: as soon as he turns his head get your hand so your hand makes a king of this shape: > where the top is all your fingers and the bottom is your thumb. That is your "mouth." As soon as her head moves around, quickly move your hand to her muzzle with your "mouth" biting back - but do not pinch her.
    4.) get a crop. Tuck it under your elbow and have one of the ends be in the way of where she would try to bite you. So when she comes around to bite you, a crop is in her way and SHE hits HERSELF with it or she ends up biting the stick.


    Horses are prey animals - they do not understand punishment. They do however, understand predator.
         
        07-06-2013, 01:09 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    You realize this is probably a pain issue, right? Have the vet check her out. It might be ulcers or something. If the vet can't find anything, have a good chiro out. If they can't find anything, you have a behavioral issue and should go from there.
         
        07-07-2013, 05:54 AM
      #20
    Foal
    I don't know if anyone has suggested this, but the first thing I would do is get her saddle checked by a professional qualified saddler or a saddler from the Society of Master Saddlers. Also check the girth is flat and clean, the skin around the girth area isn't damaged and is clean. Next thing is to get a vet and chiropractor out to give the horses back a check over.
         

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