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post #1 of 5 Old 07-12-2009, 12:21 AM Thread Starter
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Biting and pushing?


A girl I knew took on a gelding baby he is 1 now and she is just not really working with him at all so now he bites and pushes. How do I help stop that and convince her to let me help with him because she has had 8 years expeirience and I have 4. She lives with us and the horse lives here to.
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post #2 of 5 Old 07-12-2009, 12:37 AM
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Hey, One of my horses bites and pushes everyone over, he thinks he can just walk straight through me! Firstly, you need to be firm with him, but also kind as well. Don't yell at him, it will only make things worse. But stand tall when he goes to bite or push you over, talk in a low voice and tell him to "get back". Coincide this with a movement, not flailing your arms around wildly, but something like a clap or raising a clentched fist into the air about a metre away from his head, If he steps back and stops his actions, reward him.

If she lets you help, just make sure you let the horse know that you are the one in control, not him, and try to spend a lot of time encouraging him. As for your other matter in getting her to let you help, I'm not too sure about that one :) Hope this helps!

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Most of what dancehabit said sounds pretty good, except I wouldn't clap. Quite a few people use claps in daily life, and if someone were to clap near him once he's learnt that clapping means he's done something wrong, it will confuse him, a lot.

If he bites, you should pinch him on the shoulder. Mothers nip their foals on the shoulder when they do something naughty, so most horses recognize it. Also a slight slap if he bites if acceptable, as long as his owner thinks so. Maybe sit down and talk to the owner about how the horse acts, and maybe mention you'd be happy and willing to work with him.

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I wouldnt yell or clap. You would never see top trainers yell or clap at there horse when he is being pushy or biting. Horses aren't deaf and yelling or making loud sounds is only going to make things worse. You dont see horses in the feild clapping or yelling at there herd need to be the boss, get into his space quite drastically making him move those feeties if you need to, until he learns that pushing isnt fun. The biting is a disrespect issue and he needs to connect with your elbow or finger right in the chops. Dont let that turn into a game either. Your timing has to be right and needs to be as hard as you can get him the first time. I have heard of people winding up and straight out punching there horse in the chops and as much as it works, I would try something else before I personally ever did that! Have your eyes in the back of your head working with him and be ready when he goes to do either of these things. Hes just a baby and has alot of learning to do but it needs to get under control as you have said. Remember the 3 second rule : you need to make a correction within that time or forget it, they have already forgot what they did. You dont need to be mean but lay down the law! Good luck!
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post #5 of 5 Old 07-12-2009, 03:44 PM
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Hey there...
I totally agree with Pain gurl on this one...
This is total disrespectful behavior and this horse being 1 has already learned it is okay to be this way. So I agree it needs correction and quickly.
When I work with a pushy horse who like to crowd my space or bite, I like paint gurl has stated try to make the correction right away....
For pushy behavior I get the hind en moving...or the front..backing up is another way to get the horse to get out of your space....
For the biting issue. Say for instance your grooming this young horse and he likes to turn and bite while your grooming...Always keep your one eye on this guys head and ears...the second you see it coming you can simply make it so your elbow is what the "horse runs into"
So with this youngster I might be grooming and always keep my open hand rasied and ready or my arm up in a fashion so that as soon as the bite is about to happen my elbow becomes my defense and if done properly the horse will eventually feel like..."hmmm every time I go to bite i run into this hard elbow and it hurts..." If the biting is really bad do what you need to do to establish the respect without crossing the lines into an abusinve thing...
Another thing I have learned is that when the horse say...runs into the elbow and is then a bit stunned that this happened I usually try to go back and rub the elbow bump away after a short time...
Sort of like CA's method of rubbing the correctful smack away with his handy stick.
Any how...hope this helps some...
This is an issue that youngsters almost always have...The respect issue is something that needs to be established quickly and I find that once i can control the movements forward backwards left and right yielding hind quarters and front end really help. Doing this is not something that is harmful at this early age...
Again hope all this helps a bit
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