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    08-31-2008, 12:36 AM

Ok, I bought a bit, its a training / trail riding bit.has a 3'' round ring on the side and is broken in the middle, sorry I don't know what it's called, but its the one my farrier told me I need.I get it in Koda's mouth with no problems but he just plays with it, wiggles it around sticks he tongue out and all sorts of weird things.He hasn't been ridden in about a year, I have only had him for a month.So I don't know if he just has to get use to it, or what. I leave it in his mouth for anywhere from 15 to 30 min. At least once a day if not more.So I need to know what to do, just keep doing what I'm doing or what...thanks
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    08-31-2008, 08:52 AM
Re: bits??

Your bit sounds like a simple loose ring snaffle. Depending on the style of the mouth piece it can be very mild or very severe.

How old is your horse, what kind of training has he had, how well trained was he, have you been riding him, doing any ground work?

If he does it when you first bit him and he stops, I wouldn't be concerned. If he does it all the while he has it in then I'd question a few things. Is it adjusted properly (for size and placement)? When was the last time his teeth were checked? Why did you farrier choose that bit? What was he ridden in before you got him?

It could be something as simple as an ill fitting bit, improper bridle adjustment, teeth problems, lack of training, the wrong bit, the wrong mouth piece on the bit, etc.

There are a lot of things that could be going on but more information is needed to give you an intelligent answer.
    08-31-2008, 10:07 AM
If the bit and bridle fit well, it could just be that the bit is new. All of our mares always did this with a new bit, even if it was the same kind as their old one...I imagine it's the 'new' taste...but it never affected their riding.
    08-31-2008, 04:35 PM
Is the bit copper? If so, could your horse just like messing with it? We don't always use bits but I notice that when we use copper bits the horses really like to play with their mouths.

When a horse is first being trained, our trainer doesn't use a bit. Our Joshua uses a bridle without a bit. He's got a short rope over his nose instead of a bit in his mouth. The horse I usually ride is a very well trained guy. But he absolutely loves to chew on a copper snaffle bit.
    09-01-2008, 12:16 AM
Well here is the best I can answer your questions, sorry I'm new at this and may not have all the answers.

How old is your horse, what kind of training has he had, how well trained was he, have you been riding him, doing any ground work?

Koda is about 12, that's what the farrier thinks, He coggins papers say he is 7.Has far has training, I have no clue.I have not been riding him because I have been doing ground work and also the problem we are having with the bit. Yes, he does it the whole time the bit is in his mouth,Not sure when his teeth were checked, been thinking about having them out to do that.I am sure it is adjusted properly , I have no ideal why the farrier suggested this bit, but he has been doing his feet for about 2 yrs.He was not ridden alot from the old owners, I know it has been about a year, when they did ride him it was western trail, with the same kind of bit.

Joshie: I don't think the bit is copper, it is black, not sure if that helps or not.

I think I will have someone come over and make sure I have it on him properly...
    09-01-2008, 08:38 AM
Nidiaz, a black mouth piece would indicate that it is "sweet iron" and a good choice in material.

The fact that he is doing it all the while it is in his mouth and it's been going on for the past month, points to a dental problem. A new bit may also cause that but it would not continue for as long as it has. You may or may not see him drop food as he is eating as well.

I would not ride him until his teeth are checked. If it is teeth and you ride him it can lead to all sorts of behavior problems as you use your reins.

Once that is out of the way the next thing I would be concerned about is the amount of training he has had.

After you have eliminated the dental concern the next thing I would suggest is to have someone with experience come over and check your tack for fit and to give him his first ride.

Good luck with him.
    09-01-2008, 10:15 AM
I have only been trying this new bit for a week and a half, I have tryed another bit but it was the wrong one according to the farrier, it was a solid bit with 4 to 5 '' shaft on it, more for show horses, that's what the farrier told me, that's why I went out and bought this new one. I have had Koda for a little over a month. Yes I do see him dropping his food when he eats his grain, but not alot. Thanks
    09-01-2008, 10:25 AM
The bit you first tried is called a grazing bit and it is for a finished Western trained horse not necessarily for show.

Based on the two things that your horse is doing, I strongly suspect dental problems. I think you will find him to be very different once his teeth are done.

A horse's teeth should be checked yearly and typically they may need to be floated on a regular basis. If your horse hasn't had dental care in a few years then it needs to be done before you bridle him again. It can be very painful for him if his teeth are sharp. The reason he is dropping his feed is due to the angle of his teeth. He may also be difficult to keep weight on depending how bad they are..
    09-01-2008, 10:46 AM
He has no problem keeping weight on, he has gained a little since I have had him.If I get a chance I will post some pics of his teeth and him with the bit in. But yes I will have the dentist out here asap. Thanks
    09-01-2008, 11:53 PM
Just a update.figured ya'll might what to know. I'm so happy, I finally got to ride Koda, I figured I'd try the bit once more and yes he did play with it for a couple of minutes,but then he just stopped playing with it ,I put a saddle on him and just sat on him for a few miinutes, just checking to see how he would handle someone being on him, after such a long time of not being ridden, he didnt try to rear or anything, he was very calm.So wiht the lead rope still on him I hard a friend lead us out of the pasture.he did very well but not so good on turns.when I try to pull the rein to turn him, he just would not turn,so I got off him and starting lunging him.he is not good at turns, any suggestions on what to do?

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