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    09-02-2008, 03:10 PM
If he won't turn of a direct rein, I would be questioning how "broke" he was. Could it be that he was greenbroke and then put out to pasture? If so, he may or may not have retained any training that was put on him. Also, it could be that he rode in a bosal/hackimore and doesn't like the bit or its a behavior issue.

Iridehorses is right, it could also be a teeth issue. My mare went through a period where her canines were coming in, she had a fit when you contacted her mouth. We had her in a solid bit, and went back to a copper snaffle until we had her teeth pulled, she was great after that!
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    09-02-2008, 07:26 PM
If he hasn't been ridden for years its very possible that his ridden skills (moving off the leg, steering through rein contact etc.) are quite rusty. If you know nothing about this horse start slow, and if he knows it he will pick it up and you can skip ahead. With young horses I usuall start by riding on an open rein, which is where you steer by moving your hand out to guide the head rather than just pressure, its a good way for them to learn.

Some horses don't turn off the pull of rein quite well, he may have been trained purely on leg and seat aids, which may mean he considers that pulling to be telling him to stop, or he could just not know it very well.

One of my horses had issues with snaffles, if they are not fitted correctly they can hurt the roof of their mouth, so I always use a KK training bit (thats what its called in Australia) its like a thick, loose ring snaffle but instead of just a break has a piece in the middle which is maybe an inch long. Or a tad longer. That way you don't get the nut cracker action.
    09-02-2008, 07:45 PM
Re: bits??

Originally Posted by iridehorses
Your bit sounds like a simple loose ring snaffle. Depending on the style of the mouth piece it can be very mild or very severe.

How old is your horse, what kind of training has he had, how well trained was he, have you been riding him, doing any ground work?

If he does it when you first bit him and he stops, I wouldn't be concerned. If he does it all the while he has it in then I'd question a few things. Is it adjusted properly (for size and placement)? When was the last time his teeth were checked? Why did you farrier choose that bit? What was he ridden in before you got him?

It could be something as simple as an ill fitting bit, improper bridle adjustment, teeth problems, lack of training, the wrong bit, the wrong mouth piece on the bit, etc.

There are a lot of things that could be going on but more information is needed to give you an intelligent answer.
I would suggest taking this advice. GREAT POST. My first question would be the one: Why is your Farrier picking the bit?

And I would also offer one last piece of advice (which I always advocate): Work with a Professional Horse Trainer.
    09-02-2008, 11:18 PM
I don't know why the farrier told me to get that bit, it is a trail riding bit and is also used to train young horses. But it is all working out... slowly, he is picking up on the turns. I have also tried the leg and seat aids but they are not working.

The other problem I am having I can't him to pick up the speed, unless I have a whip in my hand and smack his butt, then he will just run a short distance.He will not go with me using my legs. Any suggestions?

I also have another concern. When we took the saddle off Koda to hose him off,He had pink spots on him where the girth goes, I think we had it to loose and it rubbed him raw, although we had the girth as tight as it would go.So is there anything I can put on it.
I think I'm going to give him the day off tomorrow, I don't want raw spots on him, and Yes I did get other saddle that fits better
    09-03-2008, 08:20 AM
Your horse is going a distance then stopping because he is in pain and for his pain you whip him. You are lucky he has a good attitude, most horses would have bucked you off by now.

If you had a rope burn on your arm would you be in any condition to have something rubbing it the next day?? You hurt your horse by improper adjustment of your saddle - that has to heal before you can saddle him again and if you had a tooth ache but banged your tooth with a fork, how would you feel?

The snaffle bit you are using is a great mild bit that is used for nearly anything. It is not restricted to trail riding or training. He may not be turning with your aids because you haven't asked him properly or he doesn't know.

Get help before you get hurt or hurt that poor horse any more.
    09-03-2008, 10:28 PM

I don't keep whipping him if he doesnt go any further.I didnt mean to hurt him with the girth,it was tight on him but I noticed it was loose after I rode him.I don't think it was improper adjustment.I know it has to heal before I put the saddle back on him, I gave him a day off today, and tended to his needs, I put meds on the raw spot, and no its not that bad it is almost healed.Here are some pics of him that day not the greatest, no that's not me on him,I will get more pics the next couple of days.Tell me if you see anything wrong.thanks
    09-03-2008, 11:19 PM

In the pictures of him with his tongue out, the bit is under his tongue and that is very severe pain. If he is getting his tongue over the bit, then you need to adjust it a little tighter. It's hard to tell from some of the pictures but the bit may be too large for him. If it is a 5" mouth piece, you may need a 4 3/4".

As for the girth rubs, when I saddle my horses I do it in several steps. A little at a time and walk him in between. Some horses will need it again after 1/2 an hour of riding. What material is your girth made of?

The pics you have of Koda show a very mild mannered little horse. I like his head and his attitude. He just may be a little on the green side.

I'd like to see some pics of him with and without his saddle. I think you have a nice little horse.
    09-04-2008, 12:23 AM
I was told (correct me if this is wrong) the bit goes under his tongue.He is very comfortable with it like that, you can see it in the pics, him with the bit and mouth closed.
I was told that the bit fits him well, it is hard to tell by the pics, becuz he sticks his tongue out and kinda moves the bit, but the rings lay right up against his jaw.
As for the girth rubs, my girth is made of wool.

Koda is very well mannered and very calm under saddle.
I do believe he is a little green.
I will send more pics for you when I get a chance, and Thank You for your advice, I'll take it and learn lots from it.
    09-04-2008, 07:52 AM
Whoever told you that is dangerous besides being a moron!!!!! You try putting something under your tongue and push it the way a bit works.

So let me summarize this ... you have the bit under his tongue, your saddle is improperly adjusted and he is galled, and you whipped him to make him more. Nidiaz, you are very lucky no one got hurt (except that poor horse).

The fact that your horse didn't try to hurt you when you rode him and used the reins is a credit to him. Find someone who knows something about horses or sell him before you hurt that patient horse or he hurts someone out of pain. The fact that you had no one to teach you and the advise you got is so wrong that it borders cruelty, indicates that you need help fast.

This may sound harsh but you may not be ready for a horse. You need to learn how to care for one first. That does not mean just feeding them but all the other things that "care" means. When and how to give shots, or wormer, how to monitor his nutrition, what each piece of tack is and how it works - just to name a few things.
    09-04-2008, 02:00 PM
Green Broke
The bit should ALWAYS be over his tongue. It will not be effective at all and could cause pain when it's under his tongue. The one you have is a little thin (thus more severe) for a green horse and/or a rider that's still learning. I don't know if it was just in the pictures but it also looks a little uneven (sticks out farther on one side then the other). Make sure that everything is adjusted properly so it's even on both sides. For a loose ring bit like that I usually use rubber bit guards too (big flat disks of rubber with a hole in the middle that keep the rings from pinching the sides of his mouth).

It's difficult to know what exactly is going on even with pictures but I'm thinking that your horse is very very green. Playing with the bit, not going forward when asked, and not turning on a direct rein can individually mean different things, but collectively makes me think that he's barely broke. Perhaps he's tolerant enough to be ok with the saddle, but still doesn't know what commands are. My suggestion would be to find a good knowledgeable trainer who can teach you more and help you with your equipment. Experienced farriers can offer great advice and we can try and help you out here, but you're going to get the most out of face to face time with a trainer! Good luck!

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