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post #11 of 26 Old 05-12-2010, 11:18 PM
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My question is, do you think a PROPERLY FITTED rope bridle/hackamore type deal offers more control than a bit?
I did wonder that at first however you did mention a hackamore in your original post?

In which case, I agree a rope halter may not be enough control for a young horse and an inexperienced rider, sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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post #12 of 26 Old 05-12-2010, 11:30 PM
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Well I personally start all my horses in a rope halter...they are taught to respond to light pressure from the ground up though, so they understand the concepts before I even get on. They are then transferred to a snaffle bit later on, and finally a curb somewhere down the line; however, because of the prior training, I will feel comfortable riding them in a halter. A horse shouldn't "need" a heavy bit in his mouth in order to respond, especially if you're riding with your body and not just your hands.

However, that said, for the average owner especially a green rider, a bit may offer a little bit better control. However, this does not mean that a green rider should ever be paired with a green horse, regardless of the 'means of control'.

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I did wonder that at first however you did mention a hackamore in your original post?

In which case, I agree a rope halter may not be enough control for a young horse and an inexperienced rider, sounds like a recipe for disaster.
She referred to it as a hackamore, since Parelli refers to is as a hackamore

Hackamores :: Regular Hackamore

As does CA....

Aussie Hackamore :: Downunder Horsemanship

Monty Roberts does not have an equivalent, though. Yay for him?
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Totally off topic but the parelli hack is $106 and the Aussie is $150?!?!?! Atleast the aussie looks to be leather and well constructed...the parelli one is a freakin rope halter with a bosal type knot tied on it! I cannot believe people pay that kind of money for a hack just because of the name!
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Would the hackamore give you more physical control than a bit? No. However in Parelli we don't use the bits for control, we use them for refinement. Parelli suggests starting out in the hackamore because a lot of people have hard hands, use the reins for balance, etc. and using the hackamore will save the horse's mouth. Plus if the horse can't do basic things in the hackamore he's not ready for a bit. The rider goes through a "check list" before ever using a bit, so to speak.
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Would the hackamore give you more physical control than a bit? No. However in Parelli we don't use the bits for control, we use them for refinement. Parelli suggests starting out in the hackamore because a lot of people have hard hands, use the reins for balance, etc. and using the hackamore will save the horse's mouth. Plus if the horse can't do basic things in the hackamore he's not ready for a bit. The rider goes through a "check list" before ever using a bit, so to speak.
I agree with this philosophy. I guess my observation was based on the fact that she's a beginner with a young horse and almost NEEDS a bit, at least with this particular one, and so her rope offers almost zero control in a possibly deadly situation.
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I completely understand that. That would be a situation where I'd say she needs to sell the horse and get a nice laid back one who isn't going to act silly. Green on green makes black and blue....
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