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    06-29-2008, 10:54 AM
  #1
Foal
Bits whips and spurs

I believe that as long as you are well educated any bit with a mouth piece wider than a pinky (no wire!) and with no sharp parts is fine. For english, I hate shanks longer than two inches for jumping. Blunt spurs are alright when used wisely (i.e. Rarely). Whips, however, I have a problem with. Taps are alright, but if you have to smack your horse, that is an issue of disrespect that you are just worsening but hurting them. What are your views?
     
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    06-29-2008, 12:04 PM
  #2
Weanling
I don't use whips or spurs on my horse, he bucks with spurs and whips...lol...i don't need them a simple 'c'mon lets go' will get the job done heehee
     
    06-29-2008, 01:28 PM
  #3
Yearling
Bits whips and spurs

I think that the most important part of a bridle, rather then the bit would be the hands holding it. Any bit can be severe; it is just the person using it. As for spurs, they are a training aid. Like anything, it can be turned into a harsh thing if used improperly or for the wrong reason. Whips or popppers are for the same thing. There is nothing wrong with a short, snap or pop on a horses butt or shoulder to get them out of your space. That doesnt mean you hur them before they hurt you. They need to respect your space, and that means getting their shoulders and butt OUT of your space! Lol They have alot of power, and we need to respect that also. But I don't think that short, sharp smacks are bad. Horses are big, they can take it. Look at what they do to each other in the wild and the pasture! 8)
     
    06-29-2008, 02:24 PM
  #4
Yearling
I prefer bits with smooth mouth pieces, and some sort of snaffle or low leverage (5" Shanks or less) curb with either a Mullen mouth or nice low port.

I do not like the combination of a broken mouth piece, and shanks unless the mouth pieces is double jointed like a French link or has an oval center. I also like the roller middle, like Billy Allen style mouth piece.

I do not believe in striking a horse with a whip, ever, as a form of discipline, but I do believe in giving him/her a quick immediate, and I'm using this term loosely, slap for aggressive behavior biting, threating to kick, charging. If my horse bites me, I'm not going to chase after his nose or say "hey!" and then give him a slap, and again, I'm using this term loosely, I will have already done so, and if I don't realize soon enough, I don't do anything about it, because he won't learn that way, he will only be afraid of me. By this I mean, the instant I realize or the instant the mishap happens, my punishment has already been served and I'm continuing on whatever I was doing previously.

I don't believe in kicking my horse, ever. Not even while riding, I will never kick or thump my horses sides with my legs. I squeeze with my thighs, then my knees, then my calves, then my ankles then start clucking. I never need more than that, I hardly even half to get to my knees most of the time.
     
    06-29-2008, 02:31 PM
  #5
Foal
I barrel race and I use on my green horse a correction bit, spurs and I have a quirt that I smack with off the 3rd barrel
     
    06-29-2008, 03:01 PM
  #6
Showing
I don't use spurs, once in awhile I'll use the crop. Just like a light tap, nothing major. ;)
     
    06-29-2008, 03:05 PM
  #7
Trained
I think that bits, whips and spurs are all just fine. They are tools for a purpose. A hammer is a tool also. I wouldn't give some one a hammer that didn't know how to use it and I wouldn't give some one a whip that didn't know how to use it either.
     
    06-29-2008, 03:56 PM
  #8
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumas'_Grrrl
I think that bits, whips and spurs are all just fine. They are tools for a purpose. A hammer is a tool also. I wouldn't give some one a hammer that didn't know how to use it and I wouldn't give some one a whip that didn't know how to use it either.
Brilliantly said.
All of these pieces of equipment are only as "bad" as the hands (or feet...) using them. On the flip side, they are only as good as the hands using them.
     
    06-29-2008, 05:31 PM
  #9
Green Broke
I use a curb bit that has shanks on them that are about 4 inches and I don't have a problem with them and I also so spurs too. I can't get my horse to listen to me with out them he needs that extra bounce to get him to go cause he is very lazy for a 3 year old. Whips on the other hang I don't use one unless I absoulely have too I don;t like useing them but sometimes they are needed
     
    06-29-2008, 07:47 PM
  #10
Foal
Thanks all for the interesting replies. I want to clarify that I wasn't really talking about western riding because they hold the reins differently and thus are allowed to have longer shanks and stuff like that. I, however, hate the sharp, thin, high ported bits that you sometimes see. As for spurs, I know you would get laughed at in the western world but blunt stubs are so much more humane than thin rowels and other implements.

I agree with the people who say a 'spanking' (seriously, no harder than you would hit your kid - sure, they are big 'n tough but that just makes disrespect a more dangerous issue, and pain=disrespect). However it has become the practice around my area to hit a horse pretty **** hard if he does something wrong under saddle. Not cool, man, not cool.
As for on the ground, in the barn, I hate when people use a crop to hit a horse who paws or to reprimand an attempted bite or kick- look at the whip like a set of claws or sharp canines, a defense weapon. Now think about pitting a wild cat against your horse... while he is tied up in the barn... how is that fair? Trust me, that horse isn't going to welcome that cat aboard.
I think an open handed smack is appropriate for a bite or kick. It's fine even if it stings them a bit. On the ground, you are equals (except that he is tied up, but if he is kicking and biting during gentle things, it isn't the tying up that's the problem- it's respect. And besides, he certainly wins the muscle comparison, so it balances out), and his other equals would have no qualms about striking out to keep him in check.


For the people who say they are all just dandy little tools, tools that are meant to intensify pressure on sensitive areas, are you okay with that? I mean, I do not get the hammer reference, that piece of wood couldn't care less how clumsy it's carpenter is, a horse isn't a piece of wood though. Is it your opinion that a skilled rider should use these tools?
I think that, if you are skilled, the evidence of that lies in that you don't need those tools.
     

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