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        11-20-2008, 08:27 AM
      #21
    Weanling
    Alot of people are not paying attention to what I said. If you do what I suggested, you won't hafta worry about a barn sour horse, I had tried EVERYTHINGwith this one horse, and an ol' cowboy told the technique that finally worked. I actually advocated NOT letting a horse rush, or jig, or resist their whole way home, or to walk them the last quarter mile, did that get missed big time or WHAT? Jeesh.

    Now, what I DID say was that you ride them FAR AWAY from home, where they can't possibly 'run' home without getting tired. Then, when you finally turn them back, and they are all gung ho, let them run, but when they get tired and want to stop you MAKE them KEEP running, even if it means them being slathered in sweat and everything else. Kinda like when I have a horse that keeps wanting to back away when we are working on something, I am like 'ok, you wanna back, lets back,' and instead of 'punishing' or correcting them, I make them back. ALOT. Everytime they back without me telling them to, then they must back and back and back and back- it doesn't take long and they stop backing up and pay attention to what I am trying to teach them. Just like catching a kid with a cigarette and MAKING them smoke the whole pack. If the horse wants to run, then let him, (PROVIDING you are far enough away he/she is GUARENTEED to get tired and NOT want to run the WHOLE way home) BUT when he/she tires out and wants to slow down, oh no, my friend, we are running ALLLLLLL the way home. I had a badly barn sour horse once that nothing else BUT THIS worked on. I did it twice (in a row) and the horse has NEVER hurried to get home since. You can argue with that all you want, but if done CORRECTLY I happen to have proof it works.
    Very similiar to the reasoning you had for bolting. Oh, and btw, I never advocated 'whipping' his butt, either. Just keeping him going when he doesn't want to.
         
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        11-20-2008, 08:34 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    Oh, and if the horse ran away with you for whatever reason, you still punished them. I ONLY 'punish' a horse for striking out at me with a foreleg, kicking, charging and biting. NOTHING else. But that is just me.
         
        11-20-2008, 08:50 AM
      #23
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DarkChylde    
    Alot of people are not paying attention to what I said. If you do what I suggested, you won't hafta worry about a barn sour horse, I had tried EVERYTHINGwith this one horse, and an ol' cowboy told the technique that finally worked. I actually advocated NOT letting a horse rush, or jig, or resist their whole way home, or to walk them the last quarter mile, did that get missed big time or WHAT? Jeesh.
    DarkChylde, you were heard and other members gave their opinions as well. This forum is for everyone to give their opinions and experiences. There is no need to be upset if someone else has other methods that worked for them or for other members to agree or disagree with yours. Your method worked for you but it may not work for anyone else and in fact may be dangerous for them. It may also be beyond the ability of another. Please try to keep all that in mind when posting.
         
        11-20-2008, 09:07 AM
      #24
    Weanling
    My info on the post was misrepresented, and I was trying to show that that ISN'T what I said. I was pointing out where I DIDN"T advocate 'letting a horse run home' kind of thinking, and when it seemed that I was accused of 'giving bad advice' I hadn't, and it was only seemed that way because the technique wasn't represented properly. It is necessary to clear that up, in case anyone else didn't read it all the way thru or understand my meaning.

    I wouldnt tell other's their advice is bad, but if I did then I would expect them to defend their point of view. I have in no way been insulting, nor have I put anyone else's advice down, I just wanted to point out what I really did say, and that it was misrepresented.
         
        11-20-2008, 09:12 AM
      #25
    Showing
    Understood, but let's try to do it in a calmer way. Now let's get back on track with the thread.
         
        11-20-2008, 05:38 PM
      #26
    Showing
    Ok, Darkchylde, I did read your entire post and I did understand what you meant. All I meant to say is that it is a very bad habit to get into to make your horse run every time you head back to the house no matter how far away you are. Just because it worked with that one horse doesn't mean that it will work with all of them. I have trained horses for about 10 years and have ridden all of my life and I used to do that. The reason that I quit doing it is because I never had success with it. I would let the horse run for sometimes up to 12 miles and by the time we got home, they would barely trot and had their heads hanging. The next time we went out, they would be just as bad or worse. That is when I started thinking how the horse thinks. Home = rest, rest = good. When home doesn't equal rest, then that makes home no different than any other place that you ride and hence, the horse will not get excited about going home. As for "punishing" the horse that ran away with me, I only did that after he had run for a while and then refused my signal to stop. He just took the bit and kept going. I didn't whip the horse enough to hurt him, just enough to keep him running until I decided that he had had enough. I don't condone abuse either but there is a big difference between abuse and correction.
         
        11-20-2008, 06:08 PM
      #27
    Weanling
    I did not communicate well if I failed to make clear that you shouldn't do this for EVERY ride home. I had to do it with the one horse that was bad twice. But we didn't come home at a trot, I used the soft end of the lead rope to keep them RUNNING home. He got real good for about three times out, then he wanted to do it again. Knowing the potential for him to do just that, I had always rode out that goodly distance as before, and we had another 'ok, we will go home the WHOLE way' and he hasn't done it since. It was an extreme method, but nothing else had such a lasting effect. Not for every horse, if the rider can get the 'chink rein' method down that one is the best.

    You gave very good advice about making them work when they got home, and I leave the saddle on for awhile when we first get back (at first, with the greenies.) Keeping it varied keeps them guessing too.
         

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