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    05-25-2013, 08:04 PM
  #1
Weanling
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    05-26-2013, 02:06 PM
  #2
Green Broke
You are an accident waiting to happen especially since you are doing those foolish things with that tarp in arena with other horses.

And having the lunge line being used as reins, and a double set at that, in loops, is just asking for you to get caught up and dragged if you come off.

You are also taking way too many chances with this whole thing, standing within kick range, standing in front of horse and messing with tarp, not to mention wearing it? All guaranteed to get you killed more than likely, while it may not with this horse? You are posting this and run the possibility of some kid seeing this and going out and trying it with a less forgiving horse.

I can think of several in our show barn that would have struck you down over the tarp over head. And these are seasoned show horses handled, ridden and worked with every day, not rogues being handled by fools.

You are merely lucky at this point, but you need to assess what you are doing and the surroundings better than you are in this video. The mere fact of another horse/rider in arena should have put paid to this whole thing, as you cannot predict what others may or may not do.

And need to up groceries too I think as this horse is ribby.

I've also never seen the point of tarp on horse's head, mashing ears down.
     
    05-27-2013, 02:14 PM
  #3
Started
It is hard to express what I see in this video. I see what you are trying to do, but you just are not "there" yet.

You also look very confused and not confident at all. Your body language and facial expressions and energy translates into a lot of "ums" and other fillers. Think of it as a speech. Excessive "ums", "likes", "okays" and pauses are just space fillers when you are uncertain.

You look like you are trying hard, but have no idea what you are doing. Kind of like looking at your engine when your car breaks down and you not knowing where to begin. You can operate the car just fine, but how it works escapes you.

You have a VERY good horse there. There are a lot of horses that just would not put up with any of that, with how you go about it.

If EVER a girl needed a trainer, it is you. You need someone standing at the rail coaching you, correcting you, teaching you how to do what you are trying to do better. Not doing it for you, but giving you lessons on how to do it better. You have the right idea, you just really need a mentor.
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    05-27-2013, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyDreamer    
It is hard to express what I see in this video. I see what you are trying to do, but you just are not "there" yet.

You also look very confused and not confident at all. Your body language and facial expressions and energy translates into a lot of "ums" and other fillers. Think of it as a speech. Excessive "ums", "likes", "okays" and pauses are just space fillers when you are uncertain.

You look like you are trying hard, but have no idea what you are doing. Kind of like looking at your engine when your car breaks down and you not knowing where to begin. You can operate the car just fine, but how it works escapes you.

You have a VERY good horse there. There are a lot of horses that just would not put up with any of that, with how you go about it.

If EVER a girl needed a trainer, it is you. You need someone standing at the rail coaching you, correcting you, teaching you how to do what you are trying to do better. Not doing it for you, but giving you lessons on how to do it better. You have the right idea, you just really need a mentor.
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I would agree with for the most part. You mare is just a doll and the fact that you are not real certain in how you are "talking" with her , I mean the unclear body language, does not mean that you won't have a great time with this horse. She is an idea choice for first horse and you are just learning, same as the rest of us.
     
    05-27-2013, 03:04 PM
  #5
Yearling
So, did she come to you this calm and quiet?

Please, for your own safety, do not try this with any other horse.
     
    05-27-2013, 03:37 PM
  #6
Yearling
That horse looks like she is half asleep the entire video. Her lip even looks droopy.
     
    05-27-2013, 03:42 PM
  #7
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Well, I think I was as bored with all that as the horse was.

I agree with the safety issues mentioned above.

I really have yet to be given an explanation as to why people want to ride with a tarp draped around them.
Training should be enjoyable for the horse. That by its expression, obviously wasn't.
     
    05-27-2013, 04:08 PM
  #8
Trained
I won't address training. However, FWIW, here are some thoughts on 'bonding':

Although I dislike the word and how it is often used, it is desirable to form a bond with your horse. However, that means you may need to give up some things YOU like so you can treat your horse the way HE likes. Horses bond to people they trust. Ultimately, there are no games for trust - only someone who does good things that the horse understands.

For example, for MY emotional pleasure, I wouldn't mind standing near my horse and scratching her back while she eats. It is a calm time of the day, the corral is clean, why not? Well, because horses do not enjoy being touched, particularly while eating. They understand, and thus BOND, with someone who gives them food and them leaves them to eat in peace.

A lot of times, horses LIKE someone who wants them to do 'reasonable' things. If I turn Mia toward a rail, or turn her 180 on a trail, she understands a tight turn. If I do it in the middle of an arena, she doesn't see the point in turning tight when there is all the room in the world. She will do it, but at some level she thinks I'm being anal. And anal is not good. I don't build a 'bond' by being anal.

So I try to structure things in ways where it makes sense for her. When possible, I try to avoid asking her to do things that seem stupid to her. She is willing to accept 'stupid' requests from me at times, but the more I do it, the less confidence she has in my judgment.

If we need to push thru some brush to go from point A to point B, she understands it. But wearing a tarp around myself would probably strike her as weird. Both can teach a horse to accept stuff on its sides and legs, but I prefer to teach her with brush while going somewhere.

Horses are hard to fool. I think they eventually figure out if someone is messing with their minds, and resent it. After all, do you like someone who messes with you? I don't think there are any games to building a long-term bond with a horse. In the end, they see past the games and judge a person by standards we would understand ourselves: Does this person care about me? Is he fair? Is he reasonable? Does he want good things to happen? Will he help me when I'm afraid, or hurt? Is he pushy, or rude?

All just IMHO. I'm a nobody rider with a sometimes skittish mare and a gelding who greatly prefers my daughter to me. I don't compete, sell DVDs, or even get asked for advice...
     
    05-27-2013, 04:14 PM
  #9
Started
First things first, your horse is wonderful and is clearly the perfect match for you! You found a great partner.
Next, I do think you should find yourself a trainer, while its clear you know all the goals and the "how to"s I don't think you've gotten the hang of reading or communicating clearly with your horse. If I were you I'd get a trainer. I'd work on fine tuning your timing for your release of pressure. I think your horse is either exhausted or bored, but you don't look much happier, in fact you often look frustrated.
This is hard, but whatever is happenjng in your life you need to put aside while your working with your horse. Horses will typically try to match your energy, if your quiet or dull, theyll slow down too and vice versa. This horse is clearly not a spooky type so I think you need to focus more in areas the horse actually does need work, rather than constantly hammering the same issue.
There are two particular things in this video that need to change for your safety, that I saw. The first was when you were chasing her around, I say this as opposed to lunging or round penning because when lunging or round penning there is communication - in your case, you were just chasing her. You need to stand FAR closer to the center of the circle, you were far too close to her behind. You should practice body language communications while in the round pen, without needing to chase her from behind. There was a moment when the horse actually did kick out in your direction - you were very close to real trouble. A trainer will help you better understand how to use your body to send the horse off and to draw them back, as well as changing directions.
The other thing I noticed was mounted. Now I don't care what head piece you opt to ride in, but you need safer reins. Their are clip on reins for less than $5 you could buy.
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    05-27-2013, 05:55 PM
  #10
Yearling
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Originally Posted by bsms    
Well, because horses do not enjoy being touched, particularly while eating. ..
Horses don't like being touched? Really? If I am out in the pasture my two mares push each other out of the way to get scratched by me. If I muck stalls while they are in them, my one mare will back up to me to get her butt scratched, while she is eating. My horses will stand for hours getting brushed and braided by little kids.

So, I guess I have to disagree. Some horses do rather enjoy being touched.

Let's not put all horses in one big basket that says they all act the same way all the time.
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