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    09-18-2012, 05:20 AM
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How do I break in a tb that will not be for racing but for equestion like showjumping dressage cross country pony club and like EVERYTHING!!! He will probably start be broken when he is 4years old but can somebody tell me how to???he is a yearling right now and is so cute!!!
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    09-18-2012, 06:12 AM
Just like you would break in any other horse not being used for racing. And if you don't know what you're doing, you send them to a professional breaker so you don't kill yourself or the horse.
And, as your horse is a yearling, you've got 2 good years before needing to break in anyway.
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    09-18-2012, 06:33 AM
My TB is an unbroken 2yo, intended for performance.

I am currently in the process of mouthing her (this requires FEEL and TIMING, two things that cannot be taught), and getting her used to the saddle. She won't have any weight on her back for at least another year yet, possibly two depending on physical and mental maturity. Her sire supposedly throws late maturers a lot, and she's quite a big girl already, so I'm figuring, better safe than sorry.

At the moment I am on the fence about whether I will send her to a professional or not. At this stage I have absolutely no interest in being the first person on her back, but that's because she is capable of the most terrifying rears when she's pushed too far outside her comfort zone, and when the time comes she may well be less explosive.

I don't believe you have to be a perfect rider to break in a horse, but you DO need to have very good timing, feel, and knowledge - and you have to be EFFECTIVE. If you haven't worked with young greenbroke horses before, don't start them from scratch yourself. It's a recipe for disaster. Generally speaking, if you pay someone else to break them for you because you don't know enough, you also don't know enough to work with them and educate them as green broke horses, so you may find you have to have them professionally trained a lot longer, or at the very least have regular sessions with a reputable trainer who is willing to get on and help you out if you or the horse are just not getting it.

The last greenie I had was a 7yo Welsh... he was an awesome pony and had established basics on the flat, I cured him of his bucking issue and got him consistent with his canter leads.. taught him to jump, then outgrew him.

The one before that was a 5yo Standardbred and he was pretty much what you would get from a professional trainer - he had been under saddle for 7 weeks and was reasonably consistent walk/trot/canter with very basic leg yield and was beginning to carry himself round for a few strides at a time. I ruined him completely and by the time I had to have him put down, he had LESS education than when I first got him. He was reasonably consistent w/t/c but had no leg yield and no self-carriage... AFTER a lot of work rebuilding the relationship!

Something you will need to know is that you are GOING TO ruin the first two horses you train, at the very least, and many people ruin plenty of others besides. That prospect terrifies me beyond belief, because I've only ruined one, and my filly is damaged enough as it is.

You sound young. My advice? Your first breaker SHOULD NOT EVER be a TB. Some bloodlines are easier than others, but I've yet to hear of a TB that would be suitable as a first breaker for a young person. Some of them are incredibly difficult - I know of one bloodline that all the breakers hate because they all buck something chronic, resist all training, and put the breaker in danger. Some of them aren't so bad, I think mine is one of the "easy" ones going on what she's given me so far... but some of them are purely nightmarish.

Leaving them until 4 is often a good idea. That's when they grow a brain and (usually) learn some self-preservation. A 4yo is less likely to kill itself and you running into a tree or a wall than a 2yo.
    09-18-2012, 06:50 AM
Blue eyed, I believe in the concept that you ruin every horse you train, a little less than the last. You are ALWAYS going to make mistakes on every horse you ride, you learn from those and don't make the same ones on the next horse, but make others. Its a continual cycle, no body is perfect and can produce a perfect horse. If they say they can, they're kidding themselves.

As for TB being the first breaker, I agree to an extent but not breed specific. ANY breaker can do those things. You should see some of the things a warmblood will throw at even a professional breaker.
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    09-18-2012, 07:04 AM
Bloke who said that to me meant actual proper wrecked horse with some "dangerous" quirks. And he was a professional trainer... AMAZING bloke, he rides his horses bareback with nothing on their heads. If he rode/trained in the English way of doing things, I would be having him work with Magic. He rides and trains strictly Western, unfortunately...

I do agree that no matter how good you are there will always be mistakes made, I am SO not a dressage person so my girl's dressage training is most likely to be a little lacking... she is intended to be a showjumper if she has the passion for it, and if not I'll jump off that cliff when I come to it.

My girl is my first "proper" breaker... I did a bit of work on my mother's filly (was my filly but the mother bought her off me) but said filly accepts whatever you do no problems at all so working with my TB is a huge learning curve. I'm debating trying to find someone to train and campaign her in dressage once she's broken in, but I'm really picky with who gets to train my horses... Kayty, you'd probably be one of my first choices based on what I've seen of you on here, but I can't justify sending her to the other side of Australia!!
    09-18-2012, 07:37 AM
Haha thank you, I am flattered to hear that! If you're based in the Eastern states there are a lot of really good riders and trainers around, it would just depend on how much you wanted to spend.
    09-18-2012, 11:59 AM
Kayty, unfortunately not, I'm based in the West. Kills me because if I was based over East I know exactly who I would have work with my filly if money, distance, and time were no issue... he is awesome because he would train ME as well as my filly and would teach me how to train her to get the very best out of her. Plus he is the ONLY person I know who can keep me interested through the boring basics that I've known since I was 7! Who better to teach a non-dressage person to love dressage?

I was very nearly converted when I got to ride an Inter1 horse at above horseman's property. That horse was something else. Easily the fanciest horse I've had the privilege of sitting on, beautiful temperament, and talent to burn. I doubt I'll ever have the opportunity to ride a dressage horse of that calibre again, but god, walking in circles on that horse was fun! I've been on another horse with a walk just as much fun to ride, but there is nothing like the feeling of an FEI dressage horse between your legs... and I'm sure I didn't get the best out of him because as I said I'm no dressage rider.

Edit; I have in mind a number of breakers who would do a fantastic job with my girl, but I don't know who I would have train/compete her reasonably local to me... I am considering moving to the city for career opportunities and easier access to shows, equine vets and good farriers and coaches, so the city is an option, but again, I don't know who... I'm not familiar with the dressage crowd at all, and only have a vague knowledge of the jumping folks. Though I do know who I would have train/compete her in jumping if I wasn't determined to train her for that myself...
    09-18-2012, 12:34 PM
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OP - Handle your youngster as much as you can - only be sure to do it correctly. Read lots of good instruction books and get advice from real people who you know are experienced - there are lots of Youtube videos out there that are really bad - ranging from stupid to dangerous
Your youngster needs to understand ground rules, good manners, grooming, leading, handling feet etc so by the time he comes to be broke he will not be at all phased by it
You should then either get a professional to do the job or work with one so you can gain your own knowledge
TB's that haven't raced can be more obliging that your average welsh pony but they are a lot bigger and sometimes less easy to sort out if mistakes are made - whatever you do with them - good or bad becomes training that they will absorb and remember.
Good luck
    09-18-2012, 01:20 PM
Jaydee said what I was trying to, FAR more eloquently. -nods-
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    09-18-2012, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by blue eyed pony    
Jaydee said what I was trying to, FAR more eloquently. -nods-
Me eloquent ????? (struggling to even spell the word) Well that has to be a first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Makes a nice change from me offending someone anyway lolol
Thank you kindly maam

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