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post #1 of 45 Old 11-07-2009, 07:35 PM Thread Starter
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Bridleless - just NH???

I'm curious why people always associate brideless work with NH. Isn't it just superior training? I don't do any NH with my mare, and look at her go! She did better last weekend, but this was right after we raced (check out Horse Videos!) so her woah button wasn't working the greatest.

So why do people always associate brideless work with NH? As long as your horse is properly training, cues are still cues!


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No one really thought about bridleless riding until NH picked up. Or it wasn't that 'popular.' A lot of people seem to think "Why would I want to ride my horse bridleless? You can't win in a show ring that way." Well, it's SO important for any rider and any horse to be able to do good quality bridleless riding. It's the biggest test of Freestyle riding there is.

Now, here's the thing. Excuse my crude use of words, but there is "true" bridleless riding and "false" bridleless riding (oh yes, very scientific huh? Lol). True bridleless riding is where the horse listens to the rider's focus, there is such a deep connection that when the rider seems to think something, the horse does it. Honza Blaha and Gaston do true, flawless bridleless riding. The false bridleless riding comes in the rider micromanaging the horse through his/her legs/stick/neck rope/etc. The rider over does certain patterns to where the horse is just a robot.....Stacy Westfall did that. She just drilled and drilled and drilled. That will only work with certain personalities in the horse world, they have to be a pretty introverted horse to put up with that kind of thing.
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Ah, okay, I understand. I didn't realize it was considered to be two different types, but that makes sense.

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Ya know I'm a huge fan of Stacy Westfall (and I probably still will be after I make this comment lol) but what you have brought up Spirithorse is amazing and I would have never thought of her doing it that way. That DOES make a lot of sense.
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Yet I have to say that is a very fine line because training is training either way right? I'm not sure I'm understanding. I mean they have to have some type of body language or they don't have telepathy right?
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if you look theres actually los of different vids online of stacy westfall riding her horse bridleless and doing lots of different patterns without any stick/whip/visible signals.... I ride my mare with a rope around her neck (yayy we did a trot leg yeild like that!! Haha im exited bout that)
I lovvvee riding bridless, haha but rena is very independant and stubborn, so if I push her to do something she shuts down and does whatever she wants.

Your mare is soooooo cute!!! I love her face!!

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Yet I have to say that is a very fine line because training is training either way right? I'm not sure I'm understanding. I mean they have to have some type of body language or they don't have telepathy right?
Sure, you can train a horse using micromanagement. People do it everyday. It just depends on what the rider wants to accomplish: true bridleless riding using only your focus and the relationship you have built based on a very solid foundation, or simply micromanaging the horse with your seat and/or other aides (stick, neck rope, etc) and drilling patterns until the horse is a robot, not really using his brain. Personally I want my horse participating in bridleless riding mentally, not just following a pattern he's done over and over again.
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"True bridleless riding is where the horse listens to the rider's focus, there is such a deep connection that when the rider seems to think something, the horse does it."

Little confused here. Are you saying the horse has to be psychic?? I think that's a load of crap. Riding requires cues, and body movement. Are you just saying I need think where I am going and my horse will go (if I have a true connection)?

I don't believe in NH, in the fact that its different than regular riding.
There are two types of riders
Good- horse and rider listen/ understand each other
Bad- abusive, noncaring people.

NH is a commercialize term. The first people come to mind that rode bridleless were indians/ native americans.
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I agree with sillybunny, altho I do think that NH (aka groundwork) is very handy, I just dontreally listen to those big names, haha. I love my horse, and my horse fully trusts me (that has been tested to the limits ;) but we don't send telapathec signals to eachother!! Haha we get in fights eve, if I want her to go one way, she says no and goes the other... I think people that have horses that do whatever they say without question have taken the spirit and independance out of heir horse. All you need is respect, take no more, take no less.

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"True bridleless riding is where the horse listens to the rider's focus, there is such a deep connection that when the rider seems to think something, the horse does it."

Little confused here. Are you saying the horse has to be psychic?? I think that's a load of crap. Riding requires cues, and body movement. Are you just saying I need think where I am going and my horse will go (if I have a true connection)?

I don't believe in NH, in the fact that its different than regular riding.
There are two types of riders
Good- horse and rider listen/ understand each other
Bad- abusive, noncaring people.

NH is a commercialize term. The first people come to mind that rode bridleless were indians/ native americans.
I'll only respond to the bridleless portion lol. I never said you don't give cues, I'm saying that true bridleless riding comes from a foundation that is based on getting the horse so sensitized to the rider's cues, that the very slightest movement causes the horse to respond. Even a shift in focus means something, because unconciously our bodies move. Some people do say "I just thought about ____ and my horse did it" but really their bodies did move and the horse responded, the person just didn't realize their bodies actually did something.
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