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    02-17-2008, 11:35 PM
No matter what disipline you do in the horse industry, there are always cruel outcomes in most cases. Wether your the person acually commiting the fault, it doesnt matter. For example, mustering horses, have to gallop all day after cattle, in sometimes mountainous country, Showjumpers have to jump incrediably high, and showjumpers use all kind of methods to accomplish that. You can't avoid cruel people... you just have to learn how to cope with them, and make sure your not the person commiting it.
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    02-18-2008, 10:45 AM
Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
Oh my gosh! I looked up some pictures of rollkur. That is terrible! I have never heard of that before. Is it like a certain bit they use or do they just pull there head in like that with any bit?
No, not a special bit, it's just hyperflexion of the neck. It can be done in a snaffle, but is usually seen in Grand Prix horses, which are ridden in a double bridle.. the curb really "encourages" the horse to listen to the rider's hand aids.
I think it would be a good exercise as long as it was only used for a couple of seconds at a time, immediately followed by allowing the horse to stretch its neck downwards. Unfortunately it's not usually used like that...
Yeah I see what you mean like if they just did it for a few seconds it might help with there neck muscles but not all the time.
    02-18-2008, 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by alucard
The rollkur for dressage is not very nice at all! I think that if you need to use 2 bits to make your horse do something, your lacking in training and ability...unless you can do it with nothing on your horse...and that goes for those huge shanked bits for western riders too...(for those who misuse them)
And making a horse jump insanely high jumps when the horse weighs 1500 lbs.....that's 1500 lbs plus momentum landing on 2 little knee joints....I've said it before, so I'm sorry for those who've read it, but horses are NOT deer. They are not meant to handle the impact of jumping like deer are..PERIOD!
I know I agree 100% I refuse to ride with any bit but just a plain snaffle. I have ridden Janie in a curb bit it was broken in the middle. I never ride with strait bits let alone two bits.
    02-18-2008, 12:49 PM
*exhasperated sigh*

I don't agree.. I used a double bridle on my gelding, and I rode mainly on the snaffle rein, and just used the curb when I needed that extra "listen to me" edge when preforming higher-level moves. I believe that equipment is only as sever as the handler behind it - a snaffle in the wrong hands can be much more severe than a double bridle in the right hands... having said that, you do need to be experienced to use the double bridle correctly and appreciate it, because it CAN be severe.
And I stand by it. You don't have to ride using both reins, you can leave the curb rein slack and just ride on a snaffle, and the curb won't touch the horse. Unfortunately most people abuse the fact they have the curb in the horse's mouth and forget that it's just there when you need that edge... I ride on the snaffle 98% of the time and then tweak the curb rein when I need it - it's certainly NOT all the time.
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    02-18-2008, 02:57 PM
I saw this and I thought it could help with the disagreements..

    02-18-2008, 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by Delregans Way
You can't avoid cruel people... you just have to learn how to cope with them, and make sure your not the person commiting it.
So true. I think every discipline has its skeletons in the closet.
    02-18-2008, 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by *Bobbi Socks*
I saw this and I thought it could help with the disagreements..

Yes, I agree that the way it IS used is cruel. However, I don't disagree with the Rollkur altogether. I think it is useful when applied for a couple of seconds (not a whole training session!!) immediately followed by the horse being allowed to stretch its neck down in a full nose-to-ground stretch. I am completely against the way it is used by riders who force the horse to hold the Rollkur while preforming for 10, 20, 30 minutes at a time without a break to stretch - that is disgusting.

Originally Posted by Sara
So true. I think every discipline has its skeletons in the closet.
    02-18-2008, 03:51 PM
I actually didn't like that video at all...not only is the title misleading (I expected to see mostly dressage photos and not even half of them were) but its extremely biased. I also agree with the youtube comments that several of those shots looked like altered photos.
    02-18-2008, 04:09 PM
I hadn't actually watched the video.. it's about bits, not specifically the Rollkur.. and Sara, you're right, it misrepresents things a TON! Very biased.

Edit: I'd also like to note that most of the bits in that video are NOT double bridle bits :)

Edit #2: at about 3:25 in the video... that's a hackamore... it doesn't even have a bit!
    02-18-2008, 04:21 PM
Edit #2: at about 3:25 in the video... that's a hackamore... it doesn't even have a bit!
Since you said that, I'm going to re-watch that part.

I didn't even notice that before..

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