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    02-19-2012, 04:35 AM
  #11
Foal
So here's the trick: positive reinforcement. Horses are a lot like kids, especially when it comes to bad behavior, it's not so much about punishing the bad behavior... It's about setting them up for success and then REWARDING the good behavior. Mounting issues are actually somewhat easy to solve. It kind of sounds like someone has flopped on his back too many times in his past and now he gets worried and defensive.

So easiest thing to do is stash a treat in your pocket and have someone hold him while you mount up, and then once your on without any problems (because someone was holding him he's not going anywhere) you give him the treat from his back (so that he knows he has to get the treat from the fully mounted rider). It shouldn't take long for him to get the picture and you can upgrade to the corner of the arena and slowly you'll progress. But remember to set him up for success if he comes hot out of the box, even if he's been mounting fine by himself, have someone put a hand on him. But pretty much all psychological studies show that positive reinforcement is the fastest most effective way to correct behavior (and so in an instance like this why not use it?)

I'd also suggest maybe lunging him before you ride him for a while until he gets into a solid routine. That might also just help him mentally, and might help with the relaxation aspect. You want to promote him moving forward and stretching down and snorting/blowing while they're stretched down and moving forward (a sign of relaxation).
     
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    02-19-2012, 03:40 PM
  #12
Weanling
Glad to hear that you have ridden him and know that he is broke. I wanted to throw that out there because I know a lot of people who have bought these great "dead broke" horses for cheap and guess what they are as green as Ireland on a summers afternoon :) Looks like you are moving in the right direction...I hope you the best. I know an appaloosa who is broke like crazy BUT you have to slide on it from a fence...IF you put your foot in the stirrup it freaks out. Something has happened to it to equate that stirrup with pain or fear...she is at a trainer right now and he is having a hell of a time getting this fixed. But anyways good luck and I wish you the best!
     
    02-20-2012, 03:03 AM
  #13
Weanling
Id be flexing his head right around so if she tried to mount she can only go in a small circle - they lean pretty fast that's its not so comfy...

I agree with making it a routine and taking your time when taking up etc and setting the scene - horse may be a little cold backed??? Just a thought.... whats he like after lunging and then mounting? Or even just some general ground work first

Has she ever had a bad fitting saddle - it may be a memory thing as well they can take a bit to get over things
     
    02-20-2012, 03:30 AM
  #14
Green Broke
Ouch!

I am REALLY sorry you're having to go through this!

I haven't read through any of the long posts as I'm in work right now.. but a quick question.. is there a possibility he's cold backed?

Have you considered lunging before mounting to warm him up? I'm not talking beasting the beans out of him- that'll just cause him to get fitter without you alongside him and causes more problems in the long run.

He may need his back warmed up first. Just a thought, and I agree that you need to get a trainer to help you with this. Better safe than sorry- good luck!
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    02-20-2012, 03:32 AM
  #15
Weanling
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Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
Ouch!

I am REALLY sorry you're having to go through this!

I haven't read through any of the long posts as I'm in work right now.. but a quick question.. is there a possibility he's cold backed?

Have you considered lunging before mounting to warm him up? I'm not talking beasting the beans out of him- that'll just cause him to get fitter without you alongside him and causes more problems in the long run.

He may need his back warmed up first. Just a thought, and I agree that you need to get a trainer to help you with this. Better safe than sorry- good luck!

Haha snap ;)
     
    02-20-2012, 04:05 AM
  #16
Green Broke
Haha just read your post above jody!

One thing I wouldn't do is the small circle though... although it might work for a couple of times, he may learn to do this... I used to have a mare that would trot off with one foot in the stirrup.. not good!

Not only that, if he is in pain or discomfort, that'll more than likely cause more discomfort until he's warm.
     
    02-20-2012, 01:16 PM
  #17
Foal
Thanks guys! I always lunge before mounting, even if its a quick lunge, it all depends on his mood. If he's half asleep, the warm up is shorter, if he's fresh and hot, we do some lunging and some other things, like games and backing up and such. I do this mostly to better my chances at having an arena floor-free mounting experience.

I really like the idea of mounting, and then a cookie. I don't know why I didnt think of it before, that's what I used to keep him from running off like a maniac to join his buddies once his halter was off and he's going back out to pasture. So I can see how it would delay him the act of bolting once I'm on. Hmm.... very good idea!

I also flex him laterally alot before I get on, and make sure his eye is on me when I mount. I think now MY biggest problem is my heart is pounding and my legs are shaking when I go to mount, and he can feel it, which makes him just as nervous as I am. I can't help it, honestly, ever since I landed in the hospital from a horse and my life consisted of catheters, ambulance transfers and x-rays I've been a little worried, you know?

Anyways Rummy is for sale now and there has been alot of interest in him, despite that I stated clearly he has bucked before and that's the reason for his cheap sale. But I'll continue to try a few of these tricks until he sells, mostly for my own confidence. I'm sad to do it but after I read that article about when to stop playing the hero, I realized fully that that was me... trying to play the hero.

Oh, and also about the saddle fit, I'm unsure if he has had any ill fitting tack with owners before the lady I bought him off of. He came with his saddle and bridle upon the sale, and it was checked by a pro, it fits correctly :)
     
    02-20-2012, 06:58 PM
  #18
Green Broke
While you say the vet checked him over? How thoroughly did he/she do that? Were X-rays taken of his spine/hips/withers process? Was blood pulled? Was his jaw X-rayed to make sure bars aren't broken, and have his teeth been done, with X-rays taken of the mouth/teeth too? How long has it been since his sheath was cleaned?

At this age, 19 is not young. It would be a rare horse that doesn't have some arthritis issues, and for all you know, there could be broken ribs, or vertebrae too. Without X-rays you are flying blind basically, wanting to blame this on training rather than looking at the age of this horse, and the body issues he may have.

Other things could also be peritonitis, your girth is too high and compromising blood vessels, your saddle may not fit with your weight in it, you could be toeing him when you mount, or dragging toe across rump, or coming down too heavy in saddle.

Chiro/massage might help, so might acupuncture, especially that done with electrical stimulation, but without more thorough vet exam, X-rays and such, you have no clue what is really going on with this horse.

Find a good horse vet, one that deals only in equines, or take horse to vet school and get a complete workup done. There are so many things that could be wrong, and without knowing for sure there aren't broken bones, major infection issues, or abscesses deep within muscle tissue, to only focus on training as the problem is a disservice to the horse.
     
    02-22-2012, 02:13 PM
  #19
Foal
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Originally Posted by Palomine    
While you say the vet checked him over? How thoroughly did he/she do that? Were X-rays taken of his spine/hips/withers process? Was blood pulled? Was his jaw X-rayed to make sure bars aren't broken, and have his teeth been done, with X-rays taken of the mouth/teeth too? How long has it been since his sheath was cleaned?

At this age, 19 is not young. It would be a rare horse that doesn't have some arthritis issues, and for all you know, there could be broken ribs, or vertebrae too. Without X-rays you are flying blind basically, wanting to blame this on training rather than looking at the age of this horse, and the body issues he may have.

Other things could also be peritonitis, your girth is too high and compromising blood vessels, your saddle may not fit with your weight in it, you could be toeing him when you mount, or dragging toe across rump, or coming down too heavy in saddle.

Chiro/massage might help, so might acupuncture, especially that done with electrical stimulation, but without more thorough vet exam, X-rays and such, you have no clue what is really going on with this horse.

Find a good horse vet, one that deals only in equines, or take horse to vet school and get a complete workup done. There are so many things that could be wrong, and without knowing for sure there aren't broken bones, major infection issues, or abscesses deep within muscle tissue, to only focus on training as the problem is a disservice to the horse.
wow....I absolutely don't have the money to do all of those things...lol. Yes the vet came, twice, as well as a massage therapist and everyone said he looks fine, multiple trainers have some to see him and they all say he's fine too. He's been ridden a few times since with no buck, so I feel like he has an attitude problem. But anyways, he's going away today, to an arab trainer who really loves him and who feels super confident she can work through his quirks. She rode him really well and I thought they made a fabulous pair so.. I'm sad but happy at the same time lol.
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    02-22-2012, 02:31 PM
  #20
Super Moderator
I'm so glad you found someone for him so quickly! That's great!

Are you going to start looking for another horse right away or are you going to wait a bit? I'm just being kinda nosey.
     

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