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        04-04-2011, 09:15 AM
    Originally Posted by Chele11    
    If it's her back, who do I turn to first?
    Chiropractor, some time off, and saddle fitter to be 100% positive it's not because of the saddle (or at least make lots of pics and post it for opinion on fit).
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        04-04-2011, 09:17 AM
    Originally Posted by Chele11    
    Yoshi - Luv the new name btw!
    Thanks!! One of my cats is called Yoshi.....

    If you can lunge your horse first without the saddle and then with to see if you can see a difference.
    The other thing that comes to mind is, that even though your saddle is shorter than that of the previous owner, it could have been their saddle (not yours) which has caused some back pain and that your horse is reacting to your saddle which is now hurting her back, if this makes sense?

    Some other factors to consider:

    * If a horse is cooped up in a stable with no exercise for a few days, then he will be full of beans due to pent up energy

    * High energy foods: look at what you're feeding your horse. Is she on haylege or hay? What's your spring grass like? Do you feed her oats?

    * If she is newly broken in, then perhaps she is having trouble accepting the saddle and rider weight. The reaction is to buck to get rid of it.

    I would eliminate all these things one by one and then, if the problem persists, try to get an osteopath if you can, to rule out physical pain.
    Has she had her teeth checked recently? Teeth can cause all sorts of problems. She might have a wolf tooth which is hurting her due to the bit in her mouth.

    Wouldn't it be so much easier if they could talk??!

        04-04-2011, 09:20 AM
    Can you have someone else ride her and see how she goes for them?

    Maybe you are inadvertently doing something or perhaps she has just learned that she can get you off now.

    I had a horse once who did not like me and would throw me off. My husband (who couldn't ride) took him on a trail ride with no problems but I was never given a good ride. Sometimes a horse just doesn't like you.

    Just throwing some ideas out there but if you aren't confident with her then maybe you shouldn't persist. You don't (as you said) want to get really hurt.
        04-04-2011, 09:22 AM
    Originally Posted by Chele11    
    and wouldn't lunging her with the saddle alone be totally different than with a rider due to the weight?

    What if it's from the bouncing I do in the saddle? This would atone for it happening some of the time and not everytime - as well as happening bareback and in the saddle. Her first stride is really rough - the 2nd and 3rd, I'm able to relax and move with her and then WHAM - she bucks. Makes sense, bc I'm sure my 175 lbs bouncing on her isn't cozy!!!
    If it's a back/saddle issue she'll most probably will buck on lunge as well. As for being bouncy you can look into the shock-absorbing pad (Thinline). It's NOT cheap, but it worth it. I had similar issue several years back - my paint bucked on canter because of my bouncy bum . I did lots of research and ended up with Thinline contour (also one of the cheapest by Thinline).
        04-04-2011, 09:27 AM
    Just another thought: what are your legs doing when you canter? After a long break from riding, my lower legs developed a mind of their own and were all over the place. Whenever I cantered, they wouldn't remains still in place and because they moved around, they tickled my horse's sides, which he hated and would therefore buck.
        04-04-2011, 09:44 AM
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    Well, there are too many issues here to address in one sitting. The GOOD news --- you did not get hurt. The BAD news --- you have done a lot of things wrong. You have done what you would do to turn a horse into a bronc and give them great confidence that they can do it well.

    First, you should first teach her to give you her head. People now call it a 'one rein stop'. Then, when a horse bows up and tries to buck, you can snatch their head around and stop them. To pull on both reins at the same time just gives them the leverage they need to launch you over their head. You become the object launched out of a sling shot. You will never be able to out-pull a horse using both reins, but you can make them give you their head to one rein, even if you are not a strong rider.

    If you teach this horse to give you her head, you have a chance to stop her from taking up bucking seriously.

    Now for all of the 'don'ts'.

    1) Don't ever add a new piece of equipment or add a new scary lesson WHEN A HORSE IS FRESH. I have seen many very well trained horses have a come-apart when a back cinch was added when they were fresh. Ride one on a long ride and add a back cinch after you get home. Ride around with it on a tired horse and they learn to accept it right away. If I am going to teach a horse to accept a slicker being put on and off or accept dragging a log or tire with a rope or pony a horse where the rope can get behind them or under their tail, you can bet it will be at the end of a long ride. Their reaction to something new will be 'set' by their first experience with it. You can instill fear or confidence --- the choice is yours and depends how you introduce it.

    2) If a horse is 'un-settled', upset (like yours was), has a history of being a little 'cold backed' (like yours does), acts a lot differently than it usually does, WARM THE HORSE UP. EITHER TROT AND THEN LOPE SEVERAL CIRCLES in a confining area, (where it is easier to pull a horse around and stop it) before heading out in the open where you are more at the mercy of what the horse decides to do. I will lope very 'fresh' horses or horses that I have not ridden in several weeks

    3) If you are not a well balanced 'good' rider, you should warm an 'un-settled' horse on a longe line or in a round pen WITHOUT A SADDLE. Trainers call it 'knocking the air out of one'. It makes a really 'fresh' horse much more settled and not have as much 'feel good energy'. NEVER let a horse buck with a saddle. Some get it out of their system (as it is sometimes called) and other just get practice and learn to like it and do it more and better. So, I think it is very important to NOT let any horse practice bucking.

    4) If your horse is stalled and has not been ridden in a while, TURN IT OUT to run and play BEFORE you saddle it up to ride. Remember that any time you are handling or attempting to control a horse, it should not play or behave in a uncontrolled way. That means that the longe line is not for running and playing -- it is for serious work. If you cannot control a horse on the end of a rope, you probably cannot control it very well under your saddle. It means you need to learn how to control a horse in all situations or your relationship is a ticking time-bomb.

    I have to go now, but I need to show people how to put a type of 'over-check' on a horse that they can be ridden with. This stops a horse from lowering its head which it has to do to buck hard. I just have to get to an appointment now.
        04-04-2011, 09:48 AM
    Here's what I would do. 1. Check saddle fit.
    2. If she's shod, check her shoes (I've had a horse get a sore back because he wasn't shod properly)
    3.lunge her first w/o a saddle/ then with to see if you can see a difference in her movement.
    4. Find somone to ride her so you can watch(make sure to tell me about the bucking)
    5. If no problems are found, then it could be just a habbit. Sooo make sure you have plenty of control at a walk/trot, you need to be able to apply a ORS and come to a halt. When you ask her to lope/canter, start with a small circle(it'll be harder for her to buck in a small circle) if she bucks, pull her head up and round to your knee and make her work her hind end(disengage the hindquarters) really get after her. She needs to know this is not acceptable behavior, even if it is because of you bouncing. Do not let her lope/canter in a straight line till she stops bucking in the circle and you are mostly positive you can trust her not to buck. How I do this is start small every time, the longer there is no bucking slowly make your circle bigger, if she stays good (not bucking) then try to straighten her out,but be ready to bring her to a stop and disengage her hindquarter, and get after her if she bucks. Repeat as necessary.
        04-04-2011, 09:57 AM
    She could also have been pissy because Gracie left - her calling out was a pretty good indication she was upset. Some horses also just don't behave when it's windy. My mare is fine with it, but daughters Paso mare is impossible when it's windy - even on the ground. You can watch her go insane when she's in the pasture when there's a high wind. Yesterday she kept running in big circles. Being in heat didn't help any, either, but we had a real Oklahoma wind storm yesterday, and most of the horses were pretty silly.

    Try lunging with each of your saddles and bareback and see how she does. She may not buck, but watch her ears and her tail - they can tell you a lot about how she's feeling.

    You can also check her back yourself for tender/sore spots. Use firm (not real hard) pressure on either side of her withers and down on both sides of her spine. (sides - in the muscle - not on the spine itself) I rub in little circles using increasing pressure. Dancer loves it. The only spot on her that I found that was sore was (fortunately) not on her back, but on her right side near her flank. Actually, the trainer found it the hard way the other day - she was working Dancer on the ground and asked for a side pass, and pushed (not hard) with the but of her lunge whip, and Dancer kicked - first time we've ever seen her kick at anything. After making her move her feet to show that kicking was not allowed...ever, the trainer started checking out her side and back, and found the sore muscle. (another reason why we are keeping our riding sessions really short). It's much better now. Trainer thought she probably just rolled funny and strained or pulled a muscle. Dancer's been enjoying the massages on that sore muscle!
        04-04-2011, 10:00 AM
    You mention that your new saddle is 2" shorter than the one she was ridden in. Maybe, just maybe it is too short and when you get on her, your added weight is putting pressure on her kidneys and it is hurting her. Maybe the saddle is too short on her back.
    I would lunge her without the saddle first and see how she behaves. Then lunge her with the saddle and see what happens. If she is fine without, then bucks with it on, I would suspect its the saddle putting pressure on her back and she is painful.
        04-04-2011, 10:13 AM
    Different gaits stress different parts of the body. The canter is the only gait with an odd number of beats, so a lot of problems come to a head at the canter. A horse could very well be fine at the walk and trot, and blow up at the canter. I've known a few horses to tell their rider they hate their saddle at a canter - an old friend of mine used to dread trying a new saddle on her mare fir that reason - she would lunge wtc, ride fine wt and the canter was the defining gait. It cam also be a downhill gait for some horses, depending on their conformation, so a wither-sore horse might be exacerbated at the canter.
    In short, lots of problems can arise at the canter and no other gait due to the movement involved.
    Really glad you're ok!!
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