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    07-20-2012, 04:59 PM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by countof3    
Curious, is he afraid of trash cans? I had a horse that was unafraid of darn near everything - not spooky at all, except trash cans. No matter how I pushed him to listen to me, he would snort and come unglued at them. I'm noticing other rider friends report their horses being spooked by trash cans.

Just find it interesting and wondering aloud. I could be way off base.
He isn't necessarily afraid of trash cans, but he is the type of horse to just find something completely random and spook at it, and then come by a 100x spookier object and not even flinch... He's just got that type of mind. He has spooked at trash cans before, but he doesn't all the time.
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    07-20-2012, 05:09 PM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by AQHSam    
Why would the horse be in pain at a show but not at home? Have you done barrels at home since then? Did he buck?

It sounds like excitement to me. Your body position is most likely different in the saddle during barrels than pleasure.

My 5 yr will buck and act like a wild guy in the field when he is happy and relaxed and fresh. Maybe your horse is just unable to control the excitement at the full blown out excitement of barrels? Especially if you are beyond the intitial training phase and his confidence is up?
I don't really know! It seems like he runs them fine at home and even at other fun days/rodeos. 3 weeks ago at a fun day we went to, he ran the pattern perfect. No offering to buck, and he ran as hard as he always does. He has only acted out during a barrel run one other time, and that was 2 years ago at this same arena (maybe just a coincidence?).

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Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
There is a big different in running at home and running at a show. The environment and stress level is completely different and it can completely change the horse's attitude. They also give more at a show performance wise than they would at home..Meaning the horse is probably running harder which can definitely cause pain to flare at a show rather than at home.

OP, have you ever had your horse adjusted? It can do wonders, especially for a horse that age. It just wouldn't hurt to have the vet check and do a lameness exam. There just can be so many things that trigger this behavior that it's best to cover all bases before just saying it's a behavioral or something related to that. A horse can't verbally tell you when something's wrong so they show you, and most of the time when it's pain related the "showing you" is through bucking, rearing, or these type of behaviors. It can't just be ruled out as a horse acting out, especially if the horse is just now developing this problem.
I completely agree! I get excited, he gets excited, people are cheering, clapping, there's so much more stimulation that would make him push himself harder. I just find it weird that he does it here and not at other fun days and local rodeos in different places.
No, I have never had him adjusted. I'm all for it, but ultimately my parents make the decisions. If they agree that it's what he needs, I'm sure they'll let me go through with it. I'd never want to have my guy in pain!
     
    07-20-2012, 05:18 PM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by DoubleS    
and spook at it, and then come by a 100x spookier object and not even flinch... He's just got that type of mind.
I completely get this. The horse terrified of trash cans? One day a carload of teen boys threw lit firecrackers at me and my horse on the side of a rural road. They went off, I had that "life before your eyes" moment expecting the worse and he didn't even flinch.

I literally said out loud to him "really? And trash cans are scary??" LOL
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    07-20-2012, 09:17 PM
  #14
Green Broke
Do you use spurs or a whip? I see this SO often in barrel racing, and quite frankly I attribute it to 90% of kids and women having an inability to keep their darn hinny in the saddle. They yank the horse down into a sharp turn, then kick the bejesus out of him to run again.

I ALWAYS see horses bucking during barrels and yet not during keyhole or poles or flag races. I really think it has a ton to do with the "stop and go" mentality for horses. They get frustrated quickly. I'm NOT saying you're abusing your horse with spurs and a quirt, but even just kicking or kissing or urging him on. I think barrels tend to be one of the most frustrating and aggravating sports for a horse. It's like let me run or let me stop, MAKE UP YOUR DANG MIND HOOMAN.

I would work on him a little more at home, doing the pattern at an easy jog and lope, maybe take him out for a few gallops on the straight away. I know a lot of horses who tend to buck going full out to because they rarely gallop and have lousy balance with a rider.
     
    07-20-2012, 09:36 PM
  #15
Foal
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
Do you use spurs or a whip? I see this SO often in barrel racing, and quite frankly I attribute it to 90% of kids and women having an inability to keep their darn hinny in the saddle. They yank the horse down into a sharp turn, then kick the bejesus out of him to run again.
I agree with what your saying but the comment on kids and women was uncalled for. Out of the hundreds of horse people I know the best ones are women. Don't be so quick to judge cause we are young or female, if anything it's an advantage. I'm both and I guarantee my horse which I trained will walk through fire if I ask.
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    07-20-2012, 10:09 PM
  #16
Showing
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Originally Posted by sarahmccamly    
I agree with what your saying but the comment on kids and women was uncalled for. Out of the hundreds of horse people I know the best ones are women. Don't be so quick to judge cause we are young or female, if anything it's an advantage. I'm both and I guarantee my horse which I trained will walk through fire if I ask.
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Not to make assumptions, but I would guess women and children were mentioned because those are the people that tend to compete in barrels at rodeos. You don't see a lot of men running barrels.
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    07-21-2012, 12:29 AM
  #17
Green Broke
Thank you equiniphile, that was my only point. Men really don't have a sport that involves them lifting their rear end two feet out of the saddle to spur as hard as they can in the presumption that that somehow creates more speed then just riding quietly. I love barrel racing but abhor a lot of the bad horsemanship associated with it. And that goes for any men as well who DO compete, they just really tend not to and when they do, they still don't seem to mimic a lot of the ladies way of riding.

I'm also a woman and agree 100% that there are just as many bad riders equally in men and women, but when you hang around lower key rodeos you see a LOT of seriously bad horsemanship in the barrel racing. I hate to say it, but it really does attract the yahoos because they figure it doesn't take any real training or experience.
     
    07-21-2012, 12:38 AM
  #18
Weanling
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
Do you use spurs or a whip? I see this SO often in barrel racing, and quite frankly I attribute it to 90% of kids and women having an inability to keep their darn hinny in the saddle. They yank the horse down into a sharp turn, then kick the bejesus out of him to run again.

I ALWAYS see horses bucking during barrels and yet not during keyhole or poles or flag races. I really think it has a ton to do with the "stop and go" mentality for horses. They get frustrated quickly. I'm NOT saying you're abusing your horse with spurs and a quirt, but even just kicking or kissing or urging him on. I think barrels tend to be one of the most frustrating and aggravating sports for a horse. It's like let me run or let me stop, MAKE UP YOUR DANG MIND HOOMAN.

I would work on him a little more at home, doing the pattern at an easy jog and lope, maybe take him out for a few gallops on the straight away. I know a lot of horses who tend to buck going full out to because they rarely gallop and have lousy balance with a rider.
Nope! I've never used spurs or a whip.. But I do tend to make the kissy noise a lot...
Barrel racing's not my (or my pony's) niche, we're more into pleasure & horsemanship type stuff. I like to run barrels/games stuff and Putts likes to run (oddly, he's an ENERGETIC pleasure pony when I need him to be!) so we love to run barrels, poles, and other games on the side.
I don't think I flop around in the saddle. I've been working hard on my seat and my trainer says it's good! -proudface-
I will definitely do that! We often go on bareback gallops in his pasture when we can :) He doesn't buck then either, and that's when he really goes his fastest!!
This is getting off topic... sorry...
     
    07-21-2012, 12:42 AM
  #19
Green Broke
Awesome, sounds like you're doing all the right things! I just really noticed at the rodeo this past weekend how many horses bucked in barrels but were totally fine for flag race and pole bending. I know my mare does NOT like barrel racing but adores pole bending. I just really don't think she gets OR likes the idea of cranking so hard around a barrel - she always blows wide and refuses to listen to my outside leg. We just "play" as well, she's a Dressage horse by day! But she LOVES the "forward" stuff like pole bending and flag race. It makes sense if you think about it! It's easier to transfer that forward motion from side to side and slow to faster then it is to basically SLAM to a stop and then BOLT to a gallop 3 times in like 15 seconds! I truly admire good barrel racers, we have a woman here on an amazing stud and she's literally my hero of barrel racing - so quiet and efficient and her horse is SO calm and well behaved, and they kick butt. And now his foals are kicking butt too!

LOL so off topic. Sorry!
     
    07-22-2012, 11:26 AM
  #20
Foal
A different perspective here: When you're showing, you're not correcting. So, when he bucks, basically it's okay. Doesn't make him a bad horse, just a horse who is learning that he likes to buck under these circumstances. You may need to approach it from a training standpoint and correct at the time it's happening to change it. Otherwise, why would your horse decide to change that when he's the one deciding to do it. Since you keep going, maybe he even thinks you are enjoying it with him.
     

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