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post #1 of 30 Old 07-21-2010, 11:06 AM Thread Starter
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Bucking problem!!

OK so I have a 2 1/2 yr old gelding who was supposedly broke to ride when we got him. But the thing that bugs me is this! OK he just recently had a tooth pulled so we decided to use a hackamore on him and he was great! He listens to it and only tried to buck once, but it wasn't a big buck. We rode him out with the cows and then by the highway and back home and he was great. He knows his neck reining and he knows when to stop and go and such and such. But the other night I decided to try a bit in his mouth to see what he would do and he went nuts!! He bucked about 5 times and they were big scary rodeo bucks. He's not that big but man can that little horse jump! My boyfriend stayed on for 4 bucks and then just decided to jump off. I don't know if it was the bit that made him buck or if something was in/on the blanket. Something was definitely bugging him that day. My dad suggested that before I ride him to tire him out a little bit before we ride so I'm going to try to lunge him before I get on him today and see how that works. Any suggestions? Any advice would be great. Thanks.
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post #2 of 30 Old 07-21-2010, 11:23 AM
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do you make him do circles right after he bucks??? We make do tight low circles right after they buck or rear, and our pony rears A LOT!
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post #3 of 30 Old 07-21-2010, 11:32 AM Thread Starter
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That's what I would have done but I wasn't on him when he bucked. I actually haven't ridden him lately, my boyfriend has been riding him and I don't think he knew to do that. I am actually going to go up there today and ride him and see what happens.
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post #4 of 30 Old 07-21-2010, 11:37 AM
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That's what I would do and have to do on our pony
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If he's just 2 1/2 and he already knows his neck reining... was said to be "broke"... I'd hazard a guess that he was "broke" too fast and needs some holes filled up in his training. Unless he was started as a yearling, I just don't see how anyone could claim a 2 1/2 yr old is "broke" ... that term, to me, means a horse who has "done it all".

If he were my colt, I'd be putting him away for a couple more years before starting to work him under saddle. In the meantime I'd be starting him over, from square one. Go through the whole process of ground work, teaching him pressure from the ground, ground-driving him (with the bit), saddling etc... until he was totally fine with it... THEN I'd put my butt in the saddle.

2 1/2 is still a very young horse... here, I don't start horses under saddle until 4 - we take everything up to backing slowly starting as early as I get them (weanlings are taught to lead and move away and into pressure - other than that they get to live with the herd and grow up, yearlings start learning about the "odd" things I'm going to do with them - and live with the herd to grow up, 2yr old start lunging at a walk/trot and get used to tack, 3yr olds will be ground-driven, and then as 4yr olds, when they are more physically and mentally mature I get up on them and proceed from there at their own pace.

I just find training goes way smoother doing it this way (I used to "break" at 2.... found out I was making more work for myself by trying to work through the peak growing years - it's really hard to teach a horse to be correct, balanced and carry extra weight if they keep going bum high... so now I wait until the peak growing is over, and anytime a horse is noticeably growing they get time off)

I really don't think an issue like this should be treated by simply "wearing the horse out a little" first. Your horse is telling you he has a problem, he needs you to find out what it is - and fix THAT... not just wear him out enough that he can't complain anymore.
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post #6 of 30 Old 07-21-2010, 11:53 AM Thread Starter
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I don't think he has a problem - except the bit in his mouth. Because before we put a bit into his mouth he was awesome. He did everything we asked of him and was very well behaved. We wanted to try a bit in his mouth and he did not like it very much and I'm assuming that's why he bucked because he hasn't bucked like that since we've been riding. So I don't think he has any other problem besides the bit. I know he is young but he's going to be 3 soon and I don't want a horse that I can't ride. I have a 12 yr old gelding and when I go riding, he's barn sour so I would like to finish this young guy out so someone experienced can ride him.
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Holes are holes... whether they be the bit, the saddle, going forward etc. If a horse has one hole in training, you'll usually find more. Sometimes a "placid" horse will hide holes until a critical moment then "Wham, bam, thank-you mam" they're doing something dangerous.

Bucking is generally a fear based vice.... if it's not a pain based vice. So be looking at either of those as "reasons" for the bucking - and adjust what you were doing accordingly if you're determined to ride him.

What bit did you use - make sure you're using the softest possible bit possible.
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Well if the issue is just the bit, i'd try driving him from the ground, that way noone has to sit out the buck. Get a set of long driving reins (long enough to be out of the kick zone) & making sure you are in a closed area (round pen or small paddock) drive him for a while. This is how my friend's dad starts all his horses on the bit & when he gets used to it then you can hop on & not be taking such a risk.

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And you need to remember that he is still a BABY. I won't EVER ride a horse before it is 4 years old. Sorry, but I think 2 1/2 years old is just too mentally immature to be riding. Sure, do ground work. Do some ground driving. Get him mentally prepared for riding. Get him acclimated to saddle and bridle. But really, a horse lives for more than 30 years if well cared for, why rush him? Let him be a baby, and let him grow up.

Spent a whole hour today laying in a pasture, waiting for a sparkling vampire to show up. Alas, I woke up and looked over, only to find a mound of horse crap. Sigh.
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And you need to remember that he is still a BABY. I won't EVER ride a horse before it is 4 years old. Sorry, but I think 2 1/2 years old is just too mentally immature to be riding. Sure, do ground work. Do some ground driving. Get him mentally prepared for riding. Get him acclimated to saddle and bridle. But really, a horse lives for more than 30 years if well cared for, why rush him? Let him be a baby, and let him grow up.
LOL Im sorry, this has nothing to do with the post but I love your quote. Made my day! Ha ha!

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