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    11-28-2010, 11:08 PM
Both times the issues occured going left. ONly left? No problem going right?
I thought you rode throught those bucklets very well. She is not really bucking so much as kicking out. And I can see what you mean in that you don't have her in front of your leg. Are you working hard to keep your leg off her? Might be better to have your leg on more .
I don't think it's just a matter of being bored with arena work. I think there is some sort of discomfort. It looks like she gets her hind feet kind of tangled up, like she is trying to switch leads in the rear and then changes her mind and goes back to the correct lead. Got to be some sort of pain. She goes so nicely at trot.
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    11-28-2010, 11:37 PM
Thanks! She does try to switch leads a lot in the hind end. Right is worse than the left normally but that day the left was worse than the right...mares... She lunges fine and doesnt swap her hind leads then and she is sound at the trot and sometimes she does it and and sometimes she doesnt so I don't think its lameness. We have had her checked about 5 times and the only thing that comes up is right hind weakness which has gotten a lot better. Could it all just be behavioral and is so what can I do to get her to stop?
    11-29-2010, 12:39 AM
I don't think it's attitude. She may be overreacting now because in the past there was pain assiciated with cantering. I wonder if you could do some cantering where you are in a bigger circle, like the whole arena and really push her to move out. She might buck a bit at first but maybe go THROUGH the behaviour to a freer movement. Don't do small circles for abit and just let her really go forward, disregarding any kicking out. Act as if it never happened but just put your leg on and GO!
When you ride, I can see the slightest of a chair seat. It's really minimal and it's part and parcel with the horse being behind the leg. It could be that she throws you into the positions when she kind of "pronks" with her head up, like in the video. I could totally see myself having much more trouble than you maintaining my correct position. I may have some minor advice, but that doesn't mean I could do a better job in the saddle.
Anyway, try freeing her up with some good forward on a reasonabley loose rein. Maybe try it with the kind of light seat you would have with a young horse whose back is weak, kind of a half two point.
Just a thought.
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    11-29-2010, 12:57 AM
Lol she reminds me exactly of my old mare, whom I bought as a 6 year old and had this very same problem.

It was extremely frustrating to deal with, and my mare loathed dressage as well and it was the only time she would act out. It got to where every time she kicked out I'd give her a hard pop with the dressage whip and continue on like nothing had happened. If I asked her to do something (i.e. Pick up the canter) and she kicked out, I'd pop her with the whip, get her to settle, then ask again. She finally realized that kicking wouldn't get her out of doing what I asked. She grew out of it quickly after I started dealing with it that way.
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    12-22-2011, 09:06 PM
You know what the problem is? I actually have the same problem with my horse, trail rides definetly WILL help some, and to get her past the spooking, don't react to her spooking, keep her moving forward, and don't let her make a big deal of it. By reacting she knows that the 'scary thing' isn't okay, because mommy's scared of it, I will be too. Other than that, she's getting ring sour. She's getting tired of doing what your asking her to do and not being released, as well as not being rewarded for it. Give and Release is the key to everything, and gets you far. WHat I mean by rewarding, is taking little battles, on the days that she does REALLY good make a HUGE deal about it, praise and pat her big time for it. On the days she isn't having such a great day, if you get ONE circle, or around the whole arena WITHOUT a buck or kick, make a HUGE deal of it ! And I mean HUGE ! She'll soon learn that behaving will give her pleasure, because she is being rewarded for behaving. TOO many riders and trainers almost always NEVER realize that a horse ISNT just a horse, its a being, just like a human is a being. Just like a human, horses need to be both disciplined and rewarded for good behavior. Another thing that I find does wonders is taking the horse out to the pasture every now and then bareback, or with a saddle, and putting the reins down on the horses neck letting the horse freely moves where it wishes. THIS actually teaches the horse that its completely OK for the horse to be relaxed with a rider on its back, sneak in little commands here and there. If the problem arises at the canter only, do the same thing, nudging the horse here and there with your legs to avoid obstacles. This will teach the horse how to have fun again in riding, as well as that you actually trust the animal. Hope this goes well, and if it doesn't some techniques don't always work for every horse. :) May I ask what you've done about the horse taking off on you that you've mentioned? My horse does the same, she locks her neck up, and snaps it in the direction she wants to go in, and bolts there, it takes me getting fully out of the saddle, completely on the side of the saddle I wish her to go in and my hand close to the bit on the rein JUST to whip her head back around. Have any sugguestions there?
    12-22-2011, 09:44 PM
Maybe have a chiropractor look at her.
    12-22-2011, 10:54 PM
Too expensive for me. :) What are you thinking it might be ? I can have a few horse people look at her that've been training horses for years.
    12-23-2011, 12:13 AM
Chiropractor is not expensive & solves a myriad of problems & rules out others. If you can't afford under $200 on your horse, then enjoy the kicks & bucks. My horses have never kicked, bucked, reared, or anything like that. Regular saddle fitting, chiro, and teeth floating keeps pain issues from becoming riding issues. True, some horses kick out if a hair crossed under it's blanket, but keep your horse comfortable, attend to him like an athlete like he is and watch how you ride and I doubt you will have kicking, bucking horses. I never have.
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    12-23-2011, 12:47 AM
I think you have a simple issue that's easy to fix. She needs desensitized from head to tail. I don't mean sacking out with a stick and a bag, I mean desensitizing her body to pressure. It'll fix her and it's free
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    12-23-2011, 01:07 AM
Hm. (I skipped reading the above comments so forgive me if I'm repeating) First, physical issues should be eliminated. After that, though, if it turns out she's just being nasty and I were in this situation, every time she bucks, she has to GO. Kick her forward, and make her work. From my experience, mares like to have battles of wills A LOT, so I think this is basically her just trying to test you and show you that she's in charge.

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