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  • today my horse just bolt off and bucking out of the blue. im to dum to understand why

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    12-23-2011, 12:39 AM
If she were my horse I would do as the Amazin Caucasin suggested and desensitize her a bit to pressure everywhere on her body. If that didn't work I'd wack her between the ears with a dressage whip every time she did it. I'd make sure it was easier for her to do as I ask rather than kick and act pissy. I had a gelding that would do the same thing except he would REALLY buck. Once the world started to come down on him when he bucked it quit being so fun and he soon gave it up.
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    12-23-2011, 12:58 AM
Um. I'm not sure I agree with hitting her on the head... That sounds like that'll just make her have more problems.
Kevinshorses, can you tell me more about this? Did it affect your horse in any other way, like making them head shy?... I'm curious as to how you did it.
    12-23-2011, 01:24 AM
It didn't make the horse head shy because that wasn't the only time I touched the horse between the ears. If I had only whacked onhim then he would have gotten head shy perhaps but since I spent some time rubbing between his ears and not hurting him he was fine. Besides it's much safer to ride a headshy horse than a bucker or even a horse that kicks like the OP's.

As far as how I did it. I raised my hand holding the ens of my bridle reins in the air and brought it down rapidly towards the center of the horses head. I repeated until the horse quit bucking. I think it took two rides.
    12-23-2011, 01:33 AM
Interesting. Thank you :)
    12-23-2011, 02:16 AM
Wow that turned out more peaceful than I expected. Soenjer55, I admire your open-mindedness. And respect to Kevin for honesty that might keep somebody from getting hurt
    12-23-2011, 09:00 AM

Waresbear - I apologize if this comes off rudely, but not every horse needs a chiropractor. She isn't sore ANYWHERE. I've already made sure of this, and also changed saddles due to proper imfitting, the saddle fits perfectly.. and it isnt the bridle OR the bit. Both myself(working with horses 11 years) and the lady i'm living with that helps me with my horse (working with horses 40 years) BOTH asked another trainer that's in the quarter horzse industry who trains top quarter horses for a living, and is well known, asked for advice, the bit's perfect for her, as well as the saddle. And her teeth are fine. I JUST had them floated 4 months ago. And it ISNT her feet, the problem arised at first breaking her, because she badly needed to be shod, and she had JUST foundered and was sore, something I had not realized. Now that there isn't any injuries or pain, and their both ruled out, it is behavioral issues. I've even had someone watch me ride. There isn't a thing im doing wrong under saddle. I did find a solution that helps a fair amount like I had mentioned above, praising for small rewards AFTER throwing a tantrum and doing as she's asked.. but that's only going to get me so far.
AmazinCaucasion- Thanks ! This definetly will fix the kicking out problem, as I have found she still doesnt really like leg pressure. How may I ask do I go about desensitizing her from pressure?
Soenjer55- not sure if this applies to me or the one that made this article, but that's what I've been doing, its just getting tiring because on her good days, this does work, but, on her bad.. it doesn't
Another problem that doesn't exactly help matters any, is I have to be EXTREMELY patient and careful to where im looking as she's almost blind in one eye. On bad days, I can only lunge her on one side, thankfully, because she trusts me, she allows me to lunge her on her bad side, judging by the pressure on the lungeline she's learned to stay a good distance away, I am capable of getting her walk, trot, and canter on her blind side, she wont do it for anyone else. But I've learned not to fight with her on this side, because she clearly just cannot see, and not knowing any better, not paying attention she WILL run into me, not purposely obviously.
When I said she "'snaps' her neck around and locks it" I didn't mean her neck litrally snaps, you'd have to actually see it in person to understand what I mean. But, ill do my best to describe it. She whips her head around in the direction she wants to go, and pulling back on both reins is useless as she seems to have developed a way of locking her neck and jaw. I swear the horse is double jointed. She can even twist her spine at the buck, she bucks like a bronc. Lol and then she bolts across the ring. It takes me LITRALLY getting out of the saddle and putting all my body weight on the side of the saddle I want her to go, and placing my hand on the rein nearly to her bit, to get her going back in the direction I wish for her to go. I correct the behavior immediately, but it never seems to fail. Every time we go in that direction no matter how many times I've worked with her, or how long I've worked with her, she STILL does it. Any sugguestions? Behind the rebellious streak she has, she's a really down to earth willing mare that loves to please. And it isnt ground work either. She's amazing at groundwork. She even placed in a couple shows doing showmanship and halter. :)
    12-23-2011, 09:14 AM
I didnt read the other posts till now. :) thanks ! That fixes the bucking problem as well. And yes, I do agree that will help big time, I just hadn't thought of it. I've learned that when she throws temper tantrums its better to be extremely aggressive until she gets the point across that you aren't f@**ing around and that she has to listen, and when she does she wont be punished. Any advice on the taking off, whipping her neck around? Im starting to get very VERY tired of riding like a beginner with her when she does things like this..
    12-23-2011, 09:49 AM
Even if you can't find soreness, I would seriously look into chiropractor. I was having similar issues with my mare last year and the chiro helped her so much [and it was only $93 from a professional chiro and vet] just the kicking out so often is enough to throw her out of whack.

Training wise, I would really push her forward when she kicks out. In the first video you pushed her forward, but she was never really moving freely forward. Give her her head and really make her run. Then go back to work like nothing happened.
    12-23-2011, 03:21 PM
[QUOTE=Daphne;1276908]Waresbear - I apologize if this comes off rudely, but not every horse needs a chiropractor. She isn't sore ANYWHERE.

Agree! That's my belief too. Out of all the dozens of horses I've rode that bucked and kicked out, 100% of them were easily fixed in 1 or 2 sessions of good training. Not saying that's always the case with everybody, but it has been with me.

AmazinCaucasion- Thanks ! This definetly will fix the kicking out problem, as I have found she still doesnt really like leg pressure. How may I ask do I go about desensitizing her from pressure?

Ok, this may be a long explanation, but bear with me because it's necessary. Some horses are hateful and defensive about something squeezing and grabbing their sides and flanks. One of their ways of dealing with this is to try to pitch up and kick at that annoying thing on their back. Their response is the same as if they were wearing a back cinch for the first time. With these horses, you can do conventional groundwork excercises till you're blue in the face. But you're wasting time and energy.

You have to find a way to overdo the thing that bothers them. Expose them to it until they give up. Usually what I do is put a lariat rope around their flanks and let them move around me in a good safe roundpen on a halter and lead rope. You just have to be aware because they will respond just like the horse in the video. The more you tighten the rope around their belly, the more they're going to kick. But if you can stick with it, you'll cure them in no time. Be sure to not give them slack every time they kick because this will make them worse. If you're not comfortable using this trick, use your imagination.

If you're horse acts like the horse in the video on this thread, I guarantee it will work
    12-23-2011, 03:34 PM
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Hiya, not going to read all the posts so I apologise if I repeat anything.

1st Video- I know its difficult, but when she kicks out, you pull back on her mouth- hard. It is hard, and its easy for me to say it BUT MOVE HER FORWARDS. She is a baby, I understand that, but in both video's she's working more with her front than her hind.

2nd Video: You said she's got mild navicular? All I'm going to say is I hope you're not planning on jumping her. It may be my imagination, but she looks slightly short on the front. You need to get her working from behind. I watched the video with the sound off, so I don't know what your trainer is saying. GP dressage rider or not, she's not a vet- I would serisouly get her back checked out, that's not naughtiness in my eyes, that's OW MUM, THIS HURTS. Get it checked, and then see if there is a difference. And the saddle checked too. Heck, mine competed GP and bred her own horses, but she'll give my saddle a look but she would never say this fits 100%- that's why we pay saddlers. Also- not criting riding here, I promise ;D But try and keep your inside leg on her more and hands stiller, inside hand drives her forward with impulsion but yours fishes whilst your outside leg is relatively still.

All in all she's a nice mare, but if she has navicular, like my dad's horse, if its on the front you REALLY have to ride them properly from behind otherwise they'll get foot sore. Not so much lame, but that little limp.


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