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post #31 of 39 Old 12-23-2011, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
I know she is getting bored

I cant trail ride her because she spooks and takes off and my mom wont let me jump her until i can do my 1st level test with her. For a normal horse the stuff i do with her should not be boring, we only circle a lot when she is being bad other that that we do some upper level dressage movements with her so she doesnt become bored. I want her to have fun and i want to have fun but i want to get somewhere with this horse as she has a lot of potential.
Okay.. disregarding pain and ill fitting tack. A horse needs to have their mind engaged and in the video all I saw was going around and around and around the ring. I think she and you BOTH would be happier if you could do circles (nice ones not the naughty horse circles,) serpentines, figure eights, weaving, put some poles down and trot over them, remembering to sneak in those timed half halts so she knows something is going to change.
But make it more fun to ride. Upper level dressage movements are hard and require a lot of focus and if she's sore (which she may be as Duffy touched on) it will do more harm than good.

When I ride my horse, gather we don't canter under saddle as I haven't learned how yet, we start off warming up on the rail.. twice each way (it changes every ride) on a nice loose rein, then we move to figure eights and I start asking him to march and start gathering up my rein. Then we walk a few circles in the corners and in the middle of the arena. Then I pick up the trot on the rail first (he has trouble staying on the rail) then we move into figure eights, then we work on serpentines, then we go back to on the rail, then we go over a series of poles I've set up in the arena. Then he gets a quick walk break on a looser rein (working on the free walk haha) and then I pick up a sitting trot and we work on leg yields on and off the rail. Etc. etc. etc. He never gives me trouble, he's keen to follow orders, and he's never refused to do something. It's always "would you like some cream with your coffee?" instead of throwing a cup of black coffee at me.

I think mixing it up would help. Or just doing a short ride with a few circles and figure eights then hopping off and doing a bit of groundwork with her before letting her eat grass or giving her a handwalk through a trail.

It'd help :)

Originally Posted by waresbear View Post
Chiropractor is not expensive & solves a myriad of problems & rules out others.
A visit from the chiropractor every so often is SO nice for your horse. Even once a year beats no chiro visits at all. Some do muscle work as well, which is so beneficial to the health and performance of a horse.

Originally Posted by DuffyDuck View Post

1st Video- I know its difficult, but when she kicks out, you pull back on her mouth- hard. It is hard, and its easy for me to say it BUT MOVE HER FORWARDS. She is a baby, I understand that, but in both video's she's working more with her front than her hind.

2nd Video: You said she's got mild navicular? All I'm gonna say is I hope you're not planning on jumping her. It may be my imagination, but she looks slightly short on the front. You need to get her working from behind. I watched the video with the sound off, so I don't know what your trainer is saying. GP dressage rider or not, she's not a vet- I would serisouly get her back checked out, thats not naughtiness in my eyes, thats OW MUM, THIS HURTS. Get it checked, and then see if there is a difference. And the saddle checked too. Heck, mine competed GP and bred her own horses, but she'll give my saddle a look but she would never say this fits 100%- thats why we pay saddlers. Also- not criting riding here, I promise ;D But try and keep your inside leg on her more and hands stiller, inside hand drives her forward with impulsion but yours fishes whilst your outside leg is relatively still.

All in all she's a nice mare, but if she has navicular, like my dad's horse, if its on the front you REALLY have to ride them properly from behind otherwise they'll get foot sore. Not so much lame, but that little limp.

As usual I agree whole heartedly with Duffy, especially about keeping her forwards. it's so easy to pull back and confuse her. And I noticed your legs at the canter (not hands since I don't have experience with that) weren't driving her forward as I saw during your trot. Pushing her forward will definitely make it less easy to kick back.

Good luck, the more engaged her mind and forward her body, the better ride for you both and you will be able to turn that potential into something more.

Have fun with her :)
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post #32 of 39 Old 12-23-2011, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Daphne View Post
Too expensive for me. :) What are you thinking it might be ? i can have a few horse people look at her that've been training horses for years.
I would have your friends check out her sacrum and her pelvis, since her back seems fine. Couldn't hurt. :)

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I'm sorry Daphne....that was for Bandera.

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Just another thought....

The amount of time you canter seems a bit much to me considering her problems. It's like you are cantering her to bring out the problem. I would do a few sessions of lunging her to get her warmed up. Get on, canter ~3 steps, get off. That's it. That is the ride.

Rides where you want to work I would focus only on walk, trot. Getting her forward and relaxed, but for cantering I would leave it at the above for a good week then start lengthening the time. If she bucks within the 3 steps bring her to a trot, back to canter, and 3 more steps. If she behaves dismount.

I know there is a time and place to be aggressive with a horse, but as I have been training my 16.3, moody, 4 year old I have learned more and more that there are better ways.

I personally would never smack a horse on the head for bucking and I frequently ride a 17 hand gelding who was rejected by every trainer around here and told to be put down. Yes, horses can be aggressive animals, but apart from stallions they rarely ever touch one another.
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post #36 of 39 Old 12-24-2011, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Loyalty09 View Post
...The amount of time you canter seems a bit much to me considering her problems. It's like you are cantering her to bring out the problem. I would do a few sessions of lunging her to get her warmed up. Get on, canter ~3 steps, get off. That's it. That is the ride.
I totally agree.

My horse had similar problems, and there are still issues at canter--tail swishing (like I could care about that! but the judges do--) and everything keeps improving. My way was to "get the canter" for a few strides, and quit. Sometimes it was best to get it from a hard trot, sometimes it came best after a lot of walk-trot transitions, which got her going well on her hindquarters. (She's not near a beautiful mover like your horse, so we have to work harder at it!)

An interesting note--this is NOT ADVICE just something to think about: my neighbor old-time rancher, not young, was recently given my horse's mother (registered TB) because-- she kept bucking her owner/breeder off! (Run in the family?) My neighbor said, she did it at odd times, no particular reason, so his cure was: "Spurs." He put on some cowboy spurs, got on, turned the mare's head in to his foot, and "gave her something to buck about." And every time she bucked, he spurred her. And after that unpleasant session, she never bucked again. His previous owner actually didn't recognize her on a trail ride. And she's turned out to be a really calm, sweet mare, just like mine.
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I would have a horse chiropractor come out and see because its almost like she is having problems with her right hind, which is why she tries to cross canter. If that doesn't work try getting a horse psychic in and they pretty well can tell you what the horse is thinking or why the horse does something. But I would also consider what the previous people have said, and try things. hope everything works out for you!
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this thread is 2 years old maam
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I agree with all that Alaskapacker says. She looks bored silly and needs some real interest in her life.

Arena work gets boring for them so no wonder she is objecting.
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