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    05-01-2008, 05:10 PM
  #1
Foal
Buying a horse?! i need opinions!

Hi there guys,
I am an intermediate rider but I haven't been riding the last 3 years. I owned a 4 year old TB which I trained in dressage for 3 years before and then I had to sell him because I moved countries.
Anyways some background information. I am considering buying a younger horse (5), I saw on a website a option of leasing to buy (which is the only thing I can afford right now, im a student). I went to take a look at the horse today, he is a TBxPercheron. He seems great to be around and I really love his temprament.

His owner however, can't handle him. She says that he bucks her off for no reason in the arena while she's walking and several other times. She seems to think he is confused with his training but im not sure why he would do it at a walk? She rides him once to twice a week which can make him fresh but I'm curious to see if she's screwed his training or not. She doesn't want to ride him clearly and will only lunge him. She says when she recieved him he was fine (no problems). The people who she bought him from said that he had been a year under saddle already. I find this hard to believe since from what I've heard he's very green. She had someone come in, to assess the situation saying that the horse was totally confused with her training signals. I'm not sure what to think of this. She rides him in a snaffle (thicker one) and says that she'll be randomly riding him and he'll arch his back and buck her off. Does this sound like a training problem? She talked about doing figure eights and bending exercises with him which is quite advanced considering she can't even get the horse to canter. I'm not sure if im skilled enough to retrain this horse and if its worth a try?
My previous horse was quite green but instructor was great and helped me through alot of it and he could walk/trot/canter without giving much of a fuss. I'm wary to ride since I haven't ridden in 3 years and I don't have the money to take up lessons unless I postponed the sale. I would like to do some training though before summer is up and I hate going to riding centres where they put you on the oldest horse that walks over trotting poles while your abusing the crap out of it. This has happened to me way too many times. I'm ready to get back into riding but Im not sure if im putting myself in over my head. The horse looks great, he has strong quarters and very strong build in general. He's a good buy.

I think if I started trainning with him I would have to work from the ground first and do some one on one in hand training. I've been reading alot lately but I doubt myself alot. My old horse was quite difficult, he used to buck alot too when I got him which makes me think that I would be able to handle him, I eventually solved his problems and we could continue with our training. The only thing that's dragging me down alot is the fact that I havent ridden in so long.
What do you all think?
     
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    05-01-2008, 05:32 PM
  #2
Foal
Oh and some photos btw


He's a little overweight, she doesnt ride him much.
     
    05-02-2008, 05:12 AM
  #3
Weanling
Is his price real low? It sounds like you're getting into a horse that's fairly green and has issues. Try to talk the seller down in price too. With the rising costs of hay, grain, etc, horses are selling for a lot cheaper. Plus, it sounds like this owner doesn't really want to work with him, so I'm sure she'll lower the price.

Are you considering having him vet-checked? Maybe his frustration & random bucking is out of pain. Additionally, did you take a look at the saddle she's using? Maybe it doesn't fit right and is causing him pain. Especially since he's a Perch cross...maybe the saddle is too narrow.



When I first read your post, I thought, "OMG BUY HIM!" Just in your wording, you said all good things about the horse, and mostly bad things about his current owner (and how she works with the horse). I think it's okay if you've had 3 years off from riding. It sounds you might be a good match for this horse since you two can work from the ground up, as you said, and you don't have to jump right into advanced work.



A little side note: When I was considering to buy my horse, the owners said that he had frequently bucked them off. They were getting older and didn't want to endure the fall from a 16.1hh horse, so were selling him (plus other reasons). I've now had this horse for almost a year and not once has he ever attempted to buck or rear. A few times he has spooked at things which resulted in me hitting the dirt, but in no way has he ever bucked. So either, his previous owners were misinterpreting a spook or fresh horse as a buck OR my horse simply changed his behavior with a new rider/saddle/barn/arena/etc.


Whew! I'm typing a novel! But I vote go for it with this horse if you can get him for a good deal.

"He seems great to be around and I really love his temprament."
     
    05-02-2008, 06:36 AM
  #4
Showing
Hm-hm... I don't think bucking horse has lovely temperament. Lol!

The fact he's arching the back and bucking her off on walk sounds like health (back) issue to me. I've seen only one horse did the same and he hurt his back from kicking hard at brick wall. Did she have vet check on him or chiropractor (never used one but heard they help wonder)?
     
    05-02-2008, 12:11 PM
  #5
Foal
Thanks so much for your replies! They mean a ton :)
I was definetly going to get him vet checked I would never buy a horse that I havent had checked. He does seem very broad/wide and haven't seen her saddle yet unfortunatly. She does have a wintec but she doesnt use it on him...and she isnt really volunteering to ride him if you know what I mean.
I think your right that it could be back problems, one thing I didnt do when I saw him was put pressure on his back to see if he had any pressure points etc. I know my old horse had a few when I bought him.

She's selling him for $3800 (CDN) neg. Which is really cheap considering other percheron crosses at his age. I could maybe try for 3500, but it wont be in hard cash, it will be over a year or so. If I had cash I would offer her 3 grand and im sure she would take it, but im not in much of a position to bargain.

Haha what I meant by his temprament is that he was very soft and sweet when we were around. Still very curious and such which I love in a horse. Im not sure about his under saddle manners but i'll have to see about that. She doesn't seem like she knows what she's doing for the most part, but I have no idea what her riding technique is like so I can't say much right now. I am arranging to ride him next saturday. My mom is coming up in a few weeks and bringing my jods etc so I can get a feel for him, maybe if I brought my wintec up and fitted it on him. I don't want to insult her though while she is there though especially since she has one.

I don't know why he would buck her off at a walk, it doesnt make much sense unless a misunderstanding on his part for an aid maybe? Theres something wrong with this picture.She lunges him with side reins, which im not a fan off, I believe if a horse is going to bend and show flexion, he should do it naturally.
     
    05-02-2008, 12:21 PM
  #6
Foal
Oh and btw, chiropractors for horses are the best thing ever. I will never stop singing the praises, my horse seemed to be double jointed when he walked. It was very awkward and in was in one of his quarters. After I had the chiropractor in once, I didnt have that problem ever again. It was something to do with his neck he said.
     

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