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    06-17-2012, 07:31 PM
  #111
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What to wear?

One of the things not mentioned is what do you all wear when you go horse shopping?

I know~clothes! But, do you make sure you arrive to see the prospect horse in an older vehicle? Do you make sure to take off any jewelry that would be considered expensive? Arrive in a older trailer?

A woman/trainer was helping me to find a suitable horse a few years ago. She told me to take off all my jewelry and that we were taking her truck, which was older than mine. She said, basically, not to look too prosperous or too poor. Ok, I get it.

Following this theory, I went to look at a seasoned older mft. Brought a friend with me and made sure all jewelry was at home. During my conversation with the seller we discussed the horse I was interested in at length and it seemed a good fit..I needed a confidence builder and he was definitely that.

Upon getting there she had a young five yr old saddled and a 4yr old mare in the stall. The gelding hadn't been ridden in a while and I told her I wasn't interested in a green horse. I ended up riding him and he wasn't the horse for me..nice horse, but just not for me.

When I asked her where the horse we'd talked about and that I wanted to see was, she brought me over to a large field and pointed him out. That's him..way out there....so I asked if I could see him, as I'd like to ride him. She told me he was out of my price range which we'd never discussed.

So, what do you all do? Or, do you feel it doesn't matter? If I need to make this a seperate thread, I will..I don't want to take this too off topic.
     
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    06-18-2012, 03:09 PM
  #112
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Buying a horse

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Horse    
One of the things not mentioned is what do you all wear when you go horse shopping?

I know~clothes! But, do you make sure you arrive to see the prospect horse in an older vehicle? Do you make sure to take off any jewelry that would be considered expensive? Arrive in a older trailer?

A woman/trainer was helping me to find a suitable horse a few years ago. She told me to take off all my jewelry and that we were taking her truck, which was older than mine. She said, basically, not to look too prosperous or too poor. Ok, I get it.

Following this theory, I went to look at a seasoned older mft. Brought a friend with me and made sure all jewelry was at home. During my conversation with the seller we discussed the horse I was interested in at length and it seemed a good fit..I needed a confidence builder and he was definitely that.

Upon getting there she had a young five yr old saddled and a 4yr old mare in the stall. The gelding hadn't been ridden in a while and I told her I wasn't interested in a green horse. I ended up riding him and he wasn't the horse for me..nice horse, but just not for me.

When I asked her where the horse we'd talked about and that I wanted to see was, she brought me over to a large field and pointed him out. That's him..way out there....so I asked if I could see him, as I'd like to ride him. She told me he was out of my price range which we'd never discussed.

So, what do you all do? Or, do you feel it doesn't matter? If I need to make this a seperate thread, I will..I don't want to take this too off topic.
that's interesting - I've been on both sides of this fence!!!
I'm a Brit now living in the US so I may have different views on stuff but for me jewellry and riding don't mix, there is actually a ruling in the various UK showing rules that prohibits the wearing of it in show classes. If someone had arrived on my yard in full show gear to look at a horse I would immediately think pretentious weekend rider who is going to fall off if it flicks an ear too sharply. I know lots of people who have some pretty flash trailers (horseboxes in the UK) who have low bank balances and live in very modest houses as a result so not easy to judge.
When I priced a horse I put a ticket on it to sell with enough margin to come down so the buyer can negotiate and think they are getting a bargain. The market dictates so much. If you are buying a horse I don't think it matters what you wear or drive, you work out a maximum figure that you are prepared to pay and I tell any seller that I will go to that amount 'FOR THE RIGHT HORSE' and that's what matters really, if something is perfect then you'll pay to that amount if you think it will work for you with some amount of tweaking here and there that you can deal with then you offer what you think its worth. I've walked away from many sellers because they refuse to budge but invariably they will call back and accept a week or so later. OK for them if you haven't bought elsewhere but tough if you have.
I wear what I call my smarter but well worn schooling clothes (barn clothes leave people rushing for air freshener, look smart but casual and comfortable like you know what you're doing and good at it
Take a helmet, some places will insist on you wearing one
     
    06-20-2012, 09:33 AM
  #113
Foal
I've always taken off most of my jewelry when I rode/ride. I was referring to when you go and look at a horse.

I hadn't honestly thought about it until I stopped by a trainers after work to discuss what I needed in a horse. She brought up taking my jewelry off..I don't clank in gold and diamonds so I'd never thought about it.

I think things in the UK are a bit more regulated than they are here in the US..at least that's the impression I've gotten in conversations/posts with people who've lived there.
     
    06-20-2012, 09:46 AM
  #114
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buying a horse

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse    
I've always taken off most of my jewelry when I rode/ride. I was referring to when you go and look at a horse.

I hadn't honestly thought about it until I stopped by a trainers after work to discuss what I needed in a horse. She brought up taking my jewelry off..I don't clank in gold and diamonds so I'd never thought about it.

I think things in the UK are a bit more regulated than they are here in the US..at least that's the impression I've gotten in conversations/posts with people who've lived there.
And there was me imagining you in a diamond tiara and everything, now you've gone and totally destroyed that image!!!
I'd go to look at a horse dressed in exactly the same way as you would for smart casual riding, someone once left a really expensive ring at my place that she took off when she tried a horse - luckily I found it and was able to get it back to her before one of the dogs ate it.
I was amazed at just how different things are over here in the showring especially and also how the general 'hunt seat' horses are trained and ridden. A fairly experienced young woman who came and rode my sons horse for a while when he first went off to college really struggled with how to ride her and yet we see her as an average willing horse
     
    06-20-2012, 09:51 AM
  #115
Foal
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Originally Posted by jaydee    
And there was me imagining you in a diamond tiara and everything, now you've gone and totally destroyed that image!!!
I'd go to look at a horse dressed in exactly the same way as you would for smart casual riding, someone once left a really expensive ring at my place that she took off when she tried a horse - luckily I found it and was able to get it back to her before one of the dogs ate it.
I was amazed at just how different things are over here in the showring especially and also how the general 'hunt seat' horses are trained and ridden. A fairly experienced young woman who came and rode my sons horse for a while when he first went off to college really struggled with how to ride her and yet we see her as an average willing horse
Now that's funny!! Alas, I have no diamond tiara (or even a cz <g>).

I do wish there were tighter standards here in the US when buying/selling/training and giving lessons. Literally anyone can hang a shingle and call themselves a trainer, farrier, instructor, etc. I think if things were a little more regulated and people held more accountable it would make horse buying easier, both for the buyer, seller and just as importantly, the horse!
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    06-20-2012, 12:50 PM
  #116
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The hazards of horse buying

Seriously I think that the problems are the same whichever side of the pond you are on, the UK does have really strict qualifications for Farriers but that doesn't mean you won't get one who's always in a rush, lets you down or has no patience
Buying a horse is still very much 'Buyer Beware', dealers that do it as a business are covered by the trades descriptions act and most auctions are 'warranted' so in both cases the horse has to be and do 'what it says on the label' but you can still end up with a horse that's really well behaved when ridden for a few hours a day every day but turns into a demon when its only ridden at weekends or the twice a week horse can't cope with harder work, just like a pony/horse that's perfectly fine when stabled part of the day will get laminitis in 5 minutes if asked to live out 24/7. I really shudder inside when I read of all these US people going over there and buying Gypsy Cobs for huge sums of money because I know of a lot of the people they are buying them off and they are going to sales that I wouldn't go near!!!
The BHS has done a lot to train and certificate instructors (trainers) but there are still a lot of rogues out there that are well capable of fooling people and a lot of these young girls who are going out there are really only capable of dealing with the average riding school type animal who's read and absorbed all of the books and so plays a nice game.
Land in the UK is so much higher priced so not so many people who think they have a bit of pasture so 'hey why not get that horse I dreamed of when I was 12' but they are still out there. I have said this in so many threads now but it scares the life out of me every time I hear of someone taking in a rescue horse, getting one through Craigslist or similar and don't have the faintest clue of how much its going to cost to keep it, how to look after it, how much works its going to take and they are getting all of their 'knowledge' (the sum of which would struggle to fill a 'post it' off a Youtube site and suddenly become experts.
Have I ranted enough? My hysterical fly hating horses are all hosed down and settled in their stalls with the fans on and I'm dripping with sweat because the A/C has decided to quit on us.
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    06-21-2012, 09:41 PM
  #117
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Horse    
One of the things not mentioned is what do you all wear when you go horse shopping?

I know~clothes! But, do you make sure you arrive to see the prospect horse in an older vehicle? Do you make sure to take off any jewelry that would be considered expensive? Arrive in a older trailer?

A woman/trainer was helping me to find a suitable horse a few years ago. She told me to take off all my jewelry and that we were taking her truck, which was older than mine. She said, basically, not to look too prosperous or too poor. Ok, I get it.

Following this theory, I went to look at a seasoned older mft. Brought a friend with me and made sure all jewelry was at home. During my conversation with the seller we discussed the horse I was interested in at length and it seemed a good fit..I needed a confidence builder and he was definitely that.

Upon getting there she had a young five yr old saddled and a 4yr old mare in the stall. The gelding hadn't been ridden in a while and I told her I wasn't interested in a green horse. I ended up riding him and he wasn't the horse for me..nice horse, but just not for me.

When I asked her where the horse we'd talked about and that I wanted to see was, she brought me over to a large field and pointed him out. That's him..way out there....so I asked if I could see him, as I'd like to ride him. She told me he was out of my price range which we'd never discussed.

So, what do you all do? Or, do you feel it doesn't matter? If I need to make this a seperate thread, I will..I don't want to take this too off topic.
I be me! Normally I don't wear jewelry and I don't own a truck or trailer. I have an economy car, I wear a t-shirt, jeans, boots and pretty much riding apparel. If someone says a horse isn't in my price rang I would say "Excuse me?" and maybe even tell them off how they have no idea now much I make a month or how much I have saved up.
Just dress how you want to dress, IMO.
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    06-22-2012, 11:33 AM
  #118
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrojanCowgirl    
I be me! Normally I don't wear jewelry and I don't own a truck or trailer. I have an economy car, I wear a t-shirt, jeans, boots and pretty much riding apparel. If someone says a horse isn't in my price rang I would say "Excuse me?" and maybe even tell them off how they have no idea now much I make a month or how much I have saved up.
Just dress how you want to dress, IMO.
That's kind of how I felt..wth?? But I didn't say anything. It was either a ploy to insult me into buying him or just plain insulting, LOL. We'd discussed THAT particular horse at length and she expounded on his qualities, which sounded like a good match for me. He' done mounted patrol, trails, show, fun rides, etc and he was about 12yrs old. I said I needed a seasoned, easy confidence builder. She had the 5yr old greenie for me to ride.

I don't wear rings to ride so didn't have any on. Arrived in my '03 pick up and wear my usual clothing..t-shirt, jeans, boots and helmet to ride.

As much as there are dishonest sellers out there, I think there are a lot of people who believe their riding skills are better than they actually are. They end up over-mounting themselves and a seller is only too happy to make the sale. Frustrating..
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    06-22-2012, 01:52 PM
  #119
Super Moderator
buying the right horse

I have to wonder how long the seller had actually owned the horse she originally was going to show you - maybe they had got themselves duped and he wasn't as perfect as she thought he was so she was just looking for any excuse not to show him too you and thought she could offload the youngster instead. It sounds as if you turned up looking like a 'real' regular rider and not like a photograph off the front of a saddlery catalogue so something must have been wrong - after all most sellers will try to sell you their highest priced animal regardless of what they think you can afford as they live in hope that if you fall head over heels in love with it you will scrape the money together somehow.
There are some seriously bad riders out there and if I thought someone was either going to upset a horse I was selling or risk injuring themselves I would have them off it faster than they got on.
Sounds like you may have had a lucky escape but it is annoying, the trainer of one horse that I thought sounded perfect for me never even allowed the owner to let me go and try it - she didn't know me. Had never seen me ride and the only negative thing she could say about it was that it occasionally swished its tail going into canter but because I intended to keep it at home she didn't think it would work out - according to her it needed to be under the supervision of an experienced trainer. I.e. She wanted to keep it on her yard.
     
    06-25-2012, 05:46 PM
  #120
Foal
My advice? Do your research!!!!!!!
     

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