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  • I want to buy a very gentle and broke horse in Florida
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    09-01-2012, 05:26 PM
  #141
Foal
I didn't follow these rules and I ended up buying a horse that bolted constantly - now I am healing from a spine injury...
     
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    09-01-2012, 05:32 PM
  #142
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Milo    
I didn't follow these rules and I ended up buying a horse that bolted constantly - now I am healing from a spine injury...
Wow, harsh lesson to learn Milo. I feel for you as I myself have two herniated discs, one having an annular tear, at L4-L5 and L5-S1, due to a car accident. That is why I'm afraid to ride in a way.
     
    09-01-2012, 06:10 PM
  #143
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Originally Posted by maura    
oldhorselady,

I like your analogy of the $600 custom skates, but only up to a point. In the cases I'm talking about, those $600 custom skates are keeping them from skating as much as they want to; almost as if they had them made to the wrong measurements or got hockey or speed skates instead of figure skates. And it's not as if you went to be measured for skates, and said "Well, yes, I mostly figure skate but I like to play a little hockey on the weekends so Id like a skate with the potential to do both."

I do absolutely agree that a big part of the problem is failing too accept that our skills are declining as we age.
Yeah, I see what you are saying. Figure skates are figure skates...but a horse is an animal that can hurt you severly. I see how that high end horse would actually PREVENT you from doing what you want to do in the first place since your abilities have not remained the same.

I did play hockey with the boys in my figure skates too, but mostly the hockey players just got in the way of my layback spins...hehehe.
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    09-01-2012, 06:12 PM
  #144
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So sorry Milo.
     
    09-03-2012, 01:32 AM
  #145
Foal
Well I want a fresh one, which I could train well to take participation in various racing competitions.. what price should I have to pay I don't bother if I get a quality breed!
     
    09-03-2012, 12:13 PM
  #146
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Originally Posted by Philiouckz    
Well I want a fresh one, which I could train well to take participation in various racing competitions.. what price should I have to pay I don't bother if I get a quality breed!
I hope that is sarcastic!??????
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    09-05-2012, 10:21 AM
  #147
Weanling
Thank you smrob, your awesome advice in this article got me thinking about a potentially disastrous deal I was getting myself into. I wanted a horse, arabian colt or filly that I could buy and train to be a champion. Then I wanted a mare to breed and drop a champion foal so that I could gentle myself...so I checked out some champion horses. Found a Khemosabi daughter for sale for $500....oooh, nice! But then I thought she's 21 years old, never tested for SCID/CA, the owner disclosed up front that she cannot be ridden and she's in Florida. So, now I have to pay for a PPE, BSE and get her tested before I plunk down any money to buy her? What then? Buy her, hoping she's deemed breedable and clear of SCID/CA, then have her transported for $1500 from Florida to Illinois? And come spring I'd get her checked out again only to find something wrong? Naaahh. I declined the sale with the seller and am currently looking for a healthier, younger mare to breed to the stallion of my choice. Thanks for giving me the sense to say "Whoa!"
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    09-10-2012, 03:54 AM
  #148
Foal
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
Okay, folks, I think it’s time we get realistic about buying horses and what you need to look for when you are buying.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, recognize your experience and ability for what it is. Take a scrutinizing look and quit lying to yourself. If you can semi-confidently w/t/c around an arena on a school horse, that does not mean that you are an experienced rider capable of taking on a green horse. You need to be looking for a finished horse that knows his job but needs a rider that can ask properly. That way, when you are riding correctly, he’ll do the job right and he’ll let you know when you are riding poorly by doing the job poorly.

Between the horse and rider, there needs to be a combined ability level of expert. What I mean by that is this, if you are completely new to riding, then you need a horse that has been everywhere, done everything, and has proven himself cool and calm in even the most exciting of situations. You need an old schoolmaster. As the rider’s ability and knowledge increases, they can safely begin to ride horses that are less than finished.

There is a good reason for the old saying “green+green= black and blue”. A new rider paired with a green horse will almost always end up with one or both of them hurt and/or ruined. If the horse knows nothing, then the rider better **** sure know what a good horse is and know how to create one.

Next, make a list of what you want and need in a horse. If you are wanting a good trail horse that you can relax on and gain some confidence with, then don’t take a second look at the reject barrel horse that is being sold because he flipped over backward and broke his last rider’s leg.

Make a list of the things that are a necessity, things that would be nice to have but aren’t a “must”, and things that will be avoided at all cost and stick to it.

Example:

Must haves: Neck reining, trail experience, arena experience, good stop, good leg yield, calm with crowds and large groups of other horses, okay with kids, clips, ties, loads, not spooky.

Nice but not necessity: Solid flying changes, consistent sidepass, patterned on barrels or poles, started in dressage/reining/cutting/jumping/etc.

Avoid at all cost: Cribbers, biters, kickers, buckers, buddy or barn sour, aggressive with other horses in turnout.

Stick to your list, no matter what, and don’t compromise. Don’t horse shop with your heart because your heart will fool you into thinking that you can handle something that you are not ready for. Don’t shop strictly for color, either. While there is nothing wrong with having a particular color in mind, don’t compromise on the conformation, temperament, training, or ability just to get the color. You’ll be much happier with a plain chestnut that has a great personality and is a proven winner than with a buckskin that bucks you off in the ring and bites when you try to pet him.

“But Sparky is so pretty, I’m sure I can help him to get over his problem with rearing”. No, you can’t and you’ll end up hurt if you try. Leave the beautiful Sparky for someone who has dealt with a rearing horse successfully before. The fact is, the first time you handle a horse with a particular problem like rearing or bucking or bolting, you need to have someone there who is experienced who can tell you what to do and give advice on what works and what doesn't.

If you are on your own and have never dealt with an aggressive horse or a horse with a serious and dangerous vice like bucking, bolting, or rearing, don’t bring one home with the hopes that you can figure it out as you go along. Even more importantly, don’t bring home a monster with the deluded idea that you can “cure” him with love and end up with a “majikal bond”. It doesn't work that way. The horse will get worse and you will get hurt.

“I want to get a young horse so that we can learn together”. That is the most naive and asinine idea that there ever was and someone will end up hurt. Young horses are completely unpredictable and unpredictability with an inexperienced rider or handler is always dangerous.

It happens all the time and I can currently think of at least 3 open threads about this exact thing and the stream of them seems to be never ending.
“I’m a beginner and I am trying to train my horse but they are doing <insert misbehavior here>. What do I do?”

I know that many people who know nothing about horses tend to jump in head first without checking to see how deep the water is and that’s why I’m writing this post, in hopes of maybe educating some people so that they can save themselves, and an innocent horse, a lot of trouble.

I enjoy books and movies like The Black Stallion, National Velvet, My Friend Flicka, and the like as much as anyone but I think it’s time we get realistic. Love doesn't train a horse. Nobody can take a horse that has behavioral issues like bucking, bolting, rearing, biting, kicking, charging, etc, etc, etc and re-train it to be a perfect, respectful companion with nothing but hugs and kisses and sugar cubes. It simply doesn't work that way.

9 times out of 10, that horse that you brought home because he was free or just really cheap will cost you much more money in the long run (between trainer costs and hospital/vet bills) than if you had just went ahead and spent a bit of cash on a well broke horse to begin with.

The most important rule that any potential horse buyer can follow is this: DO NOT buy a horse that is beyond your ability to handle and/or ride.

If you are a complete beginner, then you do not want to go buy, adopt, or take home the first horse you see that’s “pretty”, especially if it’s an unhandled yearling, or worse, a stud. A free horse is never free and if a young, pretty horse is being given away for free, then there is some reason for it. Normally, it's not a good one either.

Maybe the horse is unhandled, in which case it is certainly not suitable for a beginner; maybe the horse is lame or sick, in which case it is not suitable for a beginner because there are many things that come with caring for a lame or sick horse that a beginner doesn't know or understand and that could cause more suffering on the horse’s part.

More often than not, young horses that are green broke or advertised as “broke” are being given away for free or very small charge because they are dangerous or have serious vices or behavioral issues. None of those things are suitable for beginners.

Also, let me clarify one thing. Just because you have been taking lessons or riding broke horses for 5 or 10 or 20 years, that does not automatically qualify you to buy an untrained horse and train it yourself. There is a very big difference between being able to recognize/ride a made horse and being able to create one. A person should work their way up to working with untrained horses.

All children and beginners should start out with a horse very much like this one, very well trained and responsive but at the same time, docile and a bit lazy.
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As a person gains experience and ‘feel’, then they can begin working their way up to green horses. The best way to do this is by working under a trainer or hiring a trainer to work with you.

I had been riding for about 10 years before I ever set foot on a horse that was less than finished. It was about 5 years after that when I successfully trained one from scratch (under the watchful eye of a professional trainer). I trained one other on my own a couple of years before that but I’ll be the first to admit that it was a mistake. I wasn't ready and the horse paid the price. Thankfully, I had the means to give him a forever home so he didn't end up on a killer truck.

I’ve been riding now for about 25 years and training (mostly my own horses until recently) for a little over 10 and I still don’t know how to handle certain things that come up with green horses: for instances like that, I still have my professional trainer to turn to. To believe that someone who had been riding a schoolmaster for 5 years would know when to push and when to back off on a greenie by themselves is ludicrous.

There are a great many things that simply cannot be taught over internet forums or chat rooms.

Will be continued in next post...too much text.
Before you buying horse firstly start searching through the horse classified ads and horse for sale notices at your equestrian store, be sure you know what type of horse you want and what you will be using him for.
     
    09-18-2012, 04:16 AM
  #149
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I'm sure others have said this before, but just wanted to add that even if you think you have the right horse for you Please please PLEASE get a pre purchase exam. An acquaintance at the barn today had the vets look at her brand new horse who is showing front leg lameness. She said his previous owners had told her he was 11, and just sat in the pasture and was limping because Of a stone bruise. She said she wanted a barrel horse, they said oh he can do that easy. Sad to say the vet aged him in his mid 20's and his lameness was due to a pretty bad case of navicular. He also was about 200 pounds underweight and has a heart murmer. She was heart broken :( so please always get the pre purchase
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    09-19-2012, 01:55 AM
  #150
Foal
Sunny Holy Moly! That's some horse alright. I use to ride 16, 16.2 hand warmbloods. 14, 14.2 is what I'm most comfortable with now. 19.2? I'd need a step ladder and I definitely wouldn't care to be up that high, let alone hit the ground from there
     

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