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        04-12-2007, 01:59 AM
      #11
    Yearling
    Okay, I understand. I didn't know they were separated.
    I agree, it will happen, but thankfully it doesn't take many times. I do agree to be firm but I think C.A over does it a bit. I prefer subtleness, personally. When I worked with stallions, it took an evil look and I generally got my way. I just prefer it this way.
         
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        04-12-2007, 02:11 AM
      #12
    Weanling
    Absolutely! But, before you could just give him a look, he had to respect you first!

    For example, I have been complemented by people on the behavior of my children. When I tell them to do something, (or stop doing something) they do it. I generally have to "threaten" once. Why? Because they KNOW that I will follow through with my threats. (ie, grounding, taking away a toy, or the car keys.etc) Therefore, I don't have to. Does that make sense? It's because I have respect from my children. When they were small, and didn't understand, I had to follow through on my threats. (until they knew I meant what I said.)

    Clinton is training other peoples horses. Therefore, he does not have their respect yet. (I'll bet you $$ his own horses he can control with a look. ) So he has to let them know that he means what he "says" to them. He has to get their respect. A wack here or there will not hurt them, and they understand he means it. Then, he can get down to the real training. Unfortunately, some people are turned off by the occasional "correction" and don't see that he needs to do that to get their respect and attention. Also, when you go to these clinics, he is not only taking on other peoples horses, but problem horses.
         
        04-12-2007, 03:45 AM
      #13
    Yearling
    Yes, I understand this. I understand that a look was derived from a previous correction, whatever it may be.
    I agree with him on the fact a stern correction must be made, but I think he tends follow through on some things less then tactfully - but of course, this is just my opinion on him.
         
        04-12-2007, 03:07 PM
      #14
    Foal
    I've never seen anything of the man but what I gather frome these posts he my kind of trainer. I'll make a bet that these horses he has to get the respect from are other peoples animals and not his own that are a bunch of barn yard pets owned by people that don't know anything about a horse other then 'hey I've got a horse' type. There is a mule trainer over in NM who I have heard some derogatory things about also but he also seems to get the problem type animals that are head for a meat buyers pen. The last few I've gotten are the same way. I wish people would realize they are dealing with animals that have a herd mentality and it is natural instinct for them to want to be the Alfa animal and no amout of touchy, feely, 'nice horsy' type handeling will get results other then to frustrait them and the animal. I had one brought to me last year that was called a killer mule. He would try to do you in every chance he got. Well we have an older pony mule that is retired except for these occasions. When I put Candy in with him it took about an hr. For him to change this mules way of thinking. I worked him for 60 days and now a 14yo girl is rideing him and he loves this little gal to death. Another one saved from a dog food can. It's not the young ones these methods have to be used on but the older ones that have been spoiled and have run their bluff for quite some time that are the problem.
         
        04-12-2007, 11:07 PM
      #15
    WLD
    Foal
    Horse Training Clinicians

    I am not sure what Clinton was raving about, and it may have been inappropriate. But he is human and just a man. I have watched and learn from Clinton Anderson over the years as well as Chris Cox, Charles Wilhelm, Denis Reis, Ken McNabb and Leslie Desmond.
    Clinton is a very good trainer and he does an awesome job with every horse I have seen him work with. His own horses Mindy and Diaz are exceptionally well trained.
    He is not a specialty trainer, but a general horsemanship trainer.

    And there is something to be said for winning the horsemanship champsionship two years in a row against the likes of Craig Cameron and others.
    This Year Chris Cox won it.
    But back to Clinton I will be seeing him again this fall at one of his clinics.
    If you do not know him or have not seen him work or seen the results of his work then maybe you ought too. We can all learn from everyone of them.
    Not every technique works with every horse, horses are all different just like people. So we should learn from all of them. After all if they were not good, then they would not be getting paid a lot of money just for clinics.
    All trainers know whether backyard trainers or professional trainers. You use as little pressure as possible, but enough pressure to get the job done. Especially when it comes to respect,

    It is too bad he had a bad day and drove away people. And sad for those who paid for tickets to learn new techniques. Hopefully he will learn from this.
         
        04-13-2007, 01:36 AM
      #16
    Weanling
    Good Point WLD!!! Not everyone is perfect, and not everything works with every horse. Every horse, every trainer, heck, every DAY is different. Learn what you can from all the greats, (and that includes local greats who aren't well known) and take the good from them, leave out the bad and (hopefully) you and your horse will have a better relationship.
         
        04-18-2007, 09:14 AM
      #17
    Foal
    I haven't been known for strong disciplining of horses, but let me tell you what, this newest gelding, Splash, is getting his fair share. And, by the way, my girls also, always behaved because they got their butts spanked when they didn't. One of them got her butt swatted, in a Walmart, when she was 16 yrs old, cause she smarted off to my mother. Now it only takes a look. Course, they are now 25 & 27 yrs old. But they behave!!!

    Apparently the previous owners of Splash, had a habit of giving treats ALOT!!!!!
    Whenever he sees us coming, he is right there waiting and will mouth our clothes looking for treats. I am now having to smack his mouth several times to get him to learn not to do this. He is always in "my space". So we are now learning to get out of my space. Whenever he does this, I back him up and make him stand in one spot. If he moves forward on me, I back him up again. Yesterday I had to get the buggy whip out and back him up with that. Then I would pull him into me closer (after standing a minute), scratch his face/body with the whip and praise him, then back him up again. Slowly he is learning to stay back and not right on top of me, AND, he is learning that the whip (or smack) is only used when he misbehaves.

    I have to ask the question though (that everyone else is wondering).....where is this "Greg" that posted the original post????? Why has he only come on here and posted a derogatory statement, and then never come back to explain himself????? Was he only trying to start trouble??? Sure would like to know what the "rant" was about............
         

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